Dead Radeon 9800 Pro please help

Hi,
I think my ATI Radeon 9800 pro 128M AGP graphics card in my early Powermac g5 dual 2G is dying/dead. Looks like it's dropping a bit somewhere as I have blocks of coloured lines all over the screen. THis makes the machine unusable at 1900 x 1200 millions of colours and just about readable if I drop to 256 colours I have tried reseating the board after cleaning it (it was dirty). The fan is still working. I've tried booting from another disk and also driving my Dell flatscreen monitor using the DVI - VGA converter, so eliminating the digital cable and the monitor DVI input from the equation.
My question is this, where can I get a suitable replacement card? I've seen a ATI Radeon™ 9800 PRO Mac Special Edition 256mb AGP for sale on ebay which states it's AGP x 8 - would this work? Any other suggestions for a suitable reasonably priced replacement? I mainly use the machine for photo editing, and have my monitor/printer colour calibrated using a spyder and I only need to connect one monitor. The old card did allow me to turn the monitor through 90 degrees, but I never used the feature.
Another question - could I temporarily use the AGP card from my old G4 500 in the G5 - its an ATI Rage Pro 128 I believe?
THanks in anticipation.
tekno.mage

Hi Alan,
Thanks for the info,and I feel I should add further to this discussion regarding my own dead card.
What was a hard fault (with similar symptoms to the screenshots shown in Alan's link) despite several attempts to reseat the card (after cleaning it - there was a lot of dust in the fan assy) isn't so hard any more. After fitting the card I bought on ebay and discovering it was DOA, I reinstalled my old card, to discover that it worked again all ok - for about a day and half, then went bad again. Further fiddling around with it revealed that sometimes, reseating it will make it work for variable lengths of time. It's currently faulty and I'm writing this in 256 colour mode with bands of lines down only part of the screen. Once or twice, the card has suddenly started working again without reseating it, but only for about an hour.
The fan on the card is spinning (and was spinning even when very dusty). The fault doesn't seem to be strictly temperature related as leaving the machine powered off in a chilly office overnight oer even for a couple of days has so far, never resulted in the card working on power up - unless it's been reseated first. Also, the card doesn't always go faulty when the mac is working hard and the exhaust fans are blowing out lots of hot air.
I'm wondering if the scenario is more likely to be a solder joint that went bad when the card was running with a dirty fan (ie caused by slight overheating) and is now affected by movement (reseating) & vibration when the machine is in use? Either that or it's the dreaded "tin-pest" disease caused by use of lead-free solder where minute whiskers of tin can "grow" and short across nearby tracks casuing hard to find intermittant faults on circuit boards.
tekno.mage

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Hello, I purchase a radeon 9800 pro 128mg, I have a mac G4 (Double mirrors) I am replacing the old Radeon 9800 pro 128mb. I am using 10.4 TIGER. I installed the card and I am still getting a black screen. my monitor works on my g4 powerbook desktop Help?

Question #1
Hello, I purchase a Radeon 9800 pro 128mb from ebay. I own a mac G4 ( double mirror doors) I am using tiger10.4 I am replacing my old radeon 9800 pro 128mb with one from ebay. I installed the card properly but I am still getting a black screen. why? Monitor works on my powerbook G4 laptop.
QUESTIN #2
Can I upgrade my hard drive to a 2tb with the proper PCI card and cable ?

#1, tough to tell, is it using the VGA or DVI output?
#2, yes, if you can find a Mac compatible card.

ACD 23 and Radeon 9800 Pro - strange behaviour with color profiles

Hello,
I have just purchased a 23" Cinema Display. The first one I got in the store exhibited ghosting effects that ceased to exist after a few hours (self healing effect?) and I also noticed after a while using it, that the left side and especially the lower corner were darker than the rest.
So I took it back yesterday and got a new one which is close to perfect. Neither of them had any dead pixels! I am very pleased with it and knocking on wood, hope that it stays that way;-)
My hardware: The display is hooked up to a G4 MDD dual 1,25 with a Radeon 7000 pci card and a Radeon 9800 Pro AGP card. The latter card was put in for the Radeon 9000 pro that came with the computer. So far I have been running a dual display setup with a 21 and a 17 inch CRT.
Now comes my problem:
I calibrated the cinema display hooked up to the 9800 Pro with the eye-one and the eye-one match software. The profile I got was not a smooth curve, but a zigzag curve. Of course that is by no means usable for anything.
By numerous trial and error attempts, I did find out the following:
- If I calibrate with the eye-one, I can have only one monitor hooked up to the computer, otherwise I will always get zigzag curves in the profile.
- If I look at numerous testcharts(greyscale, etc.) with the newly created profile, all looks very good and in specs. As soon as I hook up the second monitor again, something changes on the cinema display, even though the profile has not changed. My testcharts look a bit contrastier and on the greyscale the two darkest and lightest fields do not seperate anymore.
Rebooting does not help either. As soon as I unplug the second monitor, everything looks perfect again.
I know that this is an unusual issue but I hope that someone here has a clue to where the problem could be. I have tested so much and do not find a solution.
I will call the apple hepldesk, but I already know what they will say:"The display is working as designed. Your issue has to do with the graphics card and that is a third party product. You have to call ATI for support".
So, maybe I can get some help here.
Cheers
Peter

Hi Bryanus,
Did you have an ADC port on your old card? Do you still have your old card? If this is the case, you can verify that the new card is implicated by re-installing your old card and seeing whether the problem repeats itself.
If you only have DVI on your old card, you would have to borrow an adaptor, but then you are relying on the adaptor to function properly.
If the problem doesn't repeat itself with your old card being used, then the new card is the culprit, in which case I'd ask to have it replaced, or get a refund.
If the problem does repeat itself with the old card, then you might want to consider other possible contributing factors such as the physical state of the monitor connection (dirty or tarnished contacts, bent pins etc.).
If the problem repeats itself with a new (replacement) card, you could add AGP slot issues to the above paragraph.
"Sleep" in an Apple Mac often generates issues with third party hardware, so your primary consideration that it is probably the card is (to me anyway) still the most likely.
All the best with the diagnosis!
Cheers!
Karl

ATI/Radeon 9800 Pro 128 AGP 4x/2x in Gigabit Ethernet dual 450 PMac G4

Hi,
This is my first time posting to these discussion group... I've been going through related threads and have not found an answer to my problem...
I have a Gigabit Ethernet dual 450 G4. Awhile ago I upgraded the processor to a Sonnet 1.8ghz so I could run Leopard.
I just bough the ATI/Radeon 9800 Pro 128 AGP 4x/2x video card. I researched around and that seemed to be a card that would work in my machine. I even read a review on Amazon where someone had also upgraded to the 1.8 processor used this card with no issues.
I do have an older monitor - Apple Studio Display CRT with the ADC connector. So I also bought the Apple DVI to ADC adapter kit.
I installed the card and do not get any picture at all - I believe I have installed everything correctly. I'm pretty sure I can hear the fan on the video card in the machine. The monitor is getting power from the adapter since the button lights up when I press it - but it does not stay lit -- the monitor never turns on. Using my old graphics card the monitor makes a little "beep" when it turns on.
In reading the other topics I am wondering if it might be a power issue? According to Other World Computing's profile my machine has a max of 220 watts. Although they suggest this video card as one the will work in my machine.
I have disabled the hard drive that came with the machine (too small) and am using two Maxtor hard drives that I added - one ATA (120gb) and one SATA (500gb) that is connected to an SATA pci card. I also have two additional pci cards with usb 2.0/firewire ports.
In looking at the topics here I came across the link about taping the 3 and 11 pins on the video card. Even though the card I have is 4x/2x not 8x I thought I'd give it a shot. That did not work either.
Any help you can give would be greatly appreciated.

I don't wish to sound redundant here, but I've been reviewing the vendor's page:
It's OK- I don't mind beating this dead horse....
The maker says such to protect themselves from possible claims that may arise due to over loaded systems and power problems when their card is installed in said system.
Of course, 300w would be nice, but they didn't even specify the PSU rating a couple years ago. The Sawtooth, with it's 237w PSU, used to be listed as a compatible machine for the 9800...... They just didn't consider how far a Sawtooth might be modded.
Within reason, the early G4's (Sawtooths) are capable of using the Radeon 9800 Pro. The GE has the same 338w PSU as the DA (they are interchangeable), so there is plenty of power for the 9800.
One thing to remember, the requirements of the ADC port of the AGP slot are removed by using a non ADC card. This really changes the calculations of the power available.
It's kinda' a long post, but, if you care to get ALL the details, check the following:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=7065653&#7065653
I think you'll be satisfied with the explanation.......
Which leaves your second, and very appropriate, point.
The main enemy of all, though, isn't power. Heat is the biggest concern.
Reducing heat/increasing cooling by using a third party fan on the 9800 is highly recommended. The 9800 is a hot card, and the stock fan is prone to early failure.
Adding additional cooling to remove the extra heat produced by the 9800, by using an exausting PCI fan, will also help the PSU provide adequate voltage to the system, by reducing the amount of hot air moving out of the PSU.
Super heated air moving through the PSU reduces the cooling ability of the PSU. A hot PSU doesn't produce reliable power.
So, add the 9800, add some cooling, and enjoy!

ATI Radeon 9800 Pro screen issue Powermac G4 MDD?

So I bought a new ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 256MB and it seems to work fine, but when I restart I get this screen:
http://s79.photobucket.com/albums/j149/ralphiedee/?action=view&current=monitor2. jpg
But only when I restart it seems. Please any help would be appreciated.
I have dual 1Ghz processors
2 gigs of ram
plenty of hard drive space.

Hi Quarrypoint, and a warm welcome to the forums!
Hmmmm, doesn't look good, One way to test is to Safe Boot from the HD, (holding Shift key down at bootup), run Disk Utility in Applications>Utilities, then highlight your drive, click on Repair Permissions, does it do that in Safe Mode ever...
PS. Safe boot may stay on the gray radian for a long time, let it go, it's trying to repair the Hard Drive
Reboot, test again.
If it only does it in Regular Boot, then it could be some hardware problem like Video card, (Quartz is turned off in Safe Mode), or Airport in 10.4 & below.
I'm not certain what temps are reported on your G4, but Get Temperature Monitor to see if it's heat related...
http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/12381/temperature-monitor
And/or iStat Pro...
http://www.islayer.com/apps/istatpro/
If you have any temps in the 70°C/160°F range, that's likely it.
Does it do that if it's cooled off on restart?

Radeon 9800 Pro 128Mb troubles :\

Hey,
I'm not used to post things on a forum but now I'm getting quite desperate. I've been searching and surfing the net for possible solutions but none worked until now.
Sometimes my v-card's drivers hang, or that's what I think. The image freezes, but the mouse can keep on moving (nothing will react anymore and even when I'm typing this, it happened already 1 times). After that "freeze" of about 2-3 seconds, the screen will "click" like you hear when you change resolution in the display properties. After that, the screen comes back and most of the time, everything is ok, except from the fact that sometimes a window like this (mozilla) is resized to 800*600 or 640*480 size .. (not sure)
But sometimes, the screen goes black after clicking and will never come back, only a reset can help this situation.
And sometimes (rare) the screen begins to show artifacts on the screen (not in games, just windows) and this gets worse and worse until you can't see and have to reset.
When anything of this happens during a game, a recover doesn't seem to be possible at all.
-> this suggests it's a driver problem...
Now I've read about fastwrites (not available in current bios - but i heard it's available in the new bios which i didn't upgrade yet because i'm a bit afraid of the procedure as I don't have a FAT system nor a win98/ME boot disk and I'm using winXP pro) which I disabled in the catalyst drivers
I've tried to lower the AGP acceleration
I've tried Omega drivers
I've turned on and off the VPU recover
I've checked my PSU - even disconnected everything but v-card, hdd and nic and my PSU (Antec case) can give 16A/28A/35A in 12v/5v/3.33v rails...
A clean install of windows won't help
Direct X version doesn't matter
And all starts after the first catalyst driver installation after the fresh windows install.
Please help,
If you think there's some info missing, don't hesitate to ask, I'm an experience PC user so you can ask me pretty much everything about anything (I think) and I'll followup this post frequently. Anything that can help me find the cause will be appreciated. Until now I didn't want to return the card under warranty because I know I'll have to miss it quite some time then. :(
PC spec:
MSI 6547 (Sis645) Mobo
P4 1.6A (OC'ed or not, doesn't change anything)
Hercules Radeon 9800 Pro 128Mb
Windows XP Pro - SP1

i read that the bios update adds the "enable fast write" function, but at what value is it whitout the update ?
if it's enabled by default, then it could be the problem
but i'll look into the site you gave and try to flash the bios tomorrow
i'll post the results and try the card in another pc if it didn't work :\

ATI Radeon 9800 Pro Firmware (APPLE OEM) Display Isse

This has probibley been covered somewhere else, but.
I have a G5 with the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro, (APPLE OEM) Came installed. Recentley I've been getting diistortion on my desktop, random squares, just wierd graphics issues.
I contacted Apple, did a reinstall (Archieve and Clean) of 10.4, did everything they said, then they gave up and sent me a new card. The new card seems to have the same problms, (A little less intensley, but its there)
Does anyone know any solutions to this, is there a firmware update for this card. I already updated to drivers from the ATI site to (4.5.7) but the aug2005-radeon-universal-rom-update says it does not work on Apple OEM Cards. Any Solutions? Please HELP.
G5, 2X2.0 Ghz, (Earily Modle, June 2003)
2 GB Ram, ATI 9800 Pro

are your problems like these?
http://homepage.mac.com/jperalesgarat/PhotoAlbum6.html
(the last image)

ATI Radeon 9800 Pro - anyone using one?

Is anyone out there using a ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128mb graphics card in their 1st generation G5 1.8mhz Dual-Processor tower? If so, is it running OK or have you had problems with it crashing?
Perhaps there's some tweaks I need to make in the ATI control panel? Mine seems to spontaneously hang doing all but the simplest of tasks. I've run Apple Hardware Test, but that says card is OK.
Waiting for an XT800 to arrive, but tempted to buy an Nvidia GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL - now. Can anyone help me decide please.
Any advice appreciated,
Thanks
KHP

while not the 9800, i used to have the 9650 (128mb vram) in my dualie ... quickly got rid of it and got an x800xt soon after aperture 1.0 ...
the difference was startling ... night and day ... with the 9650 every adjustment took forever ... it was workable but i always had a second task going on to keep me occupied ...
according to some profiles, yes there are people that still use the 9800 ... yours may have gone bad sooner than others ... regardless, your life will be better (imho) with a newer/better/faster/ stronger video card - whether you go ati or nvidia ... although i know little about the 6800 ...
do a full forum search of the 9800 6800 and x800xt ... see what is in the archives ...
here's a start ...
http://discussions.apple.com/search.jspa?threadID=&q=ati+9800&objID=c184&dateRan ge=all&userID=&numResults=15&rankBy=10001
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875P INF Drivers and Radeon 9800 Pro All in Wonder

Please help; I am at my absolute wits end. I will try to be brief but I doubt that there is much chance that it will be. Basically I have narrowed things down to this. My video card is a Radeon 9800 Pro All in Wonder 128mb version. My motherboard is a MSI 875p. Lately I realized (long story not important) that I did not have the inf drivers from intel installed for my mobo. This seemed to make sense as to why I was having display issues in games; IE Morrowind. So I installed them, and when I rebooted I was pleasantly surprised to find that the monitor would simply turn off right before I could get to the login. Now I have reinstalled windows several times and installed several different combinations of intel inf updates with different version of the Catalyst drivers. Pretty much, if I have the INF drivers installed, I will not be able to get into windows. However, if I don't have them installed (like right now) normal things, like typing this message, I can do, but I can't play any games . From what I have read I am thinking that it is one of a few things. A, it has something to do with the AGP driver/ and voltage setting things. Many people were talking about issues like this with the 9600, and 9800 pro (not all in wonder). So there might be some bios settings that would help; though I have no knowledge of how such things work. B, is that the card is just a dud and I should just give it up and try to send it back in. I am afraid of option B mainly because I know it will take forever, and then I have no comp, and because of dreaded option C. The motherboard is simply incompatabile with the Radeon 9800 Pro All in Wonder 128mb version. Please let me know if anyone has had similiar problems, if I am up a creek, or how to set the bios... Here is my system specs; I will check back to see if I need to add anything. Thanks a bunch.
p4 2.6gigahertz
MSI 875P
1gig ram kingston hyper x
120gig western digital harddrive
21' Viewsonic
Radeon 9800 Pro All in Wonder 128mb
Sound Blaster Audigy 2 Platinum
Antec Performance Plus SOHO File Server Case ATX12V
(There doesn't seem to be anything in the Bios updates that will help me luckily, because I want to avoid flashing it if I can.)

Okay, I will try to answer any questions as they came. First off, Windows XP Professional is what I have. I tried to install the video drivers with both the inf update from intel, and the one from MSI installed. Again it crashes at login screen with any sort of inf update (ie agp drivers) installed. Radeon is running at 4x with fast writes disabled, however there is one interesting thing I learned Another thing to note about the problem is when I got to the ATI SMARTGART advanced settings little program (within the ati folder under program files) I can see that PCI write, and read are both on, and AGP read and write are both off. I am not a genius in relation to computers, but how could this card be acting as a PCI card, when it is installed in a AGP slot? Is this because since I don't have the inf update installed, so as far as the computer knows that agp slot is a PCI one? A further thing to note is that whenever I install the video card driver for my All in Wonder 9800 Pro, is that it installs two cards from what device manager shows. One is "ALL-IN-WONDER 9800 SERIES" the other is ALL-IN-WONDER 9800 SERIES - Secondary". According to device manager they are both located on PCI Bus 1, device 0. Disabling one or the other does not seem to make difference. A final thing to note is that I took an All in Wonder 9000 out of a friends comp and put it into my with the inf update installed; it booted windows and detected it fine. Does this mean my card is a dud and needs to be sent in for repairs, or is there some kind of voltage issue? As for other PCI cards, I have a modem that is not even installed at:
PCI Slot 2 (PCI bus 3, device 1, function 0)
Sound card at PCI Slot 3 (PCI bus 3, device 2, function 0)
Again Video Card (PCI bus 1, device 0, function 0)
The onboard Gigabit Ethernet is at (PCI bus 2, device 1, function 0)
Another thing that might help clue someone in is that I have
Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host Controller
Listed 5 times; IRQ's are 23, 16, 19, 18, 16
The IRQ of my All-In-Wonder is also 16 if this means anything. No conflicts listed of course. Another note is that my onboard ethernet's irq is 18, same as one of the usb host controllers, and it works fine...
I can't think of anything else to add, let me know what you think. Thanks a ton so far guys.

Radeon 9800 pro 256mb hanging on blue screen

I'm deep in the waters of frustration right now, and am hoping someone here might have the answer.
About 3 months ago I was looking for a video card for me to run motion. I saw the 9800 mac special edition with 128mb video ram had rave reviews. At that time ATI was not making them. So I turned to eBay...
I purchased a card that was advertised as a Mac 9800 pro special editing 128mb. I later found out it was a flashed pc card. The ebay seller told me the card worked fine on all his mac's that he tested it on.
The problem I was having was the machine boots up, I see the grey screen with the Apple logo and spinning wheel. I see the blue screen where normally I see the login progress bar loading the OS. But with this card I only see the blue screen. I hear the hard drive churning, so I am assuming it is still loading the OS, but I cannot see anything. I can reboot in safe mode and the video card works fine.
Well... I assumed it was the fault of the card and that it was flashed. I returned the card to the ebay seller, who sent me another one, same results with that one. I returned the card to the seller and he refunded my money.
I put the money toward the just released Radeon 9800 Pro Mac Edition 256mb card. I just got it a couple days ago and am experiencing the same problems. I have tried everything... everything I know and still can't get the card to work? Here is a list of what I have done:
With the flashed card:
1. Shut off computer and unplugged it. Removed OEM video card and installed ATI 9800 card. Plugged the power supply cable for the card into the computer power supply cable and hard drive.
Problem Occurs: When starting up, the grey screen comes up with the Apple on it, then the screen turns blue, where I typically would see the progress bar of the system loaded up before the user login screen. I only see a blue screen at this point but can hear the hard drive working for about a min.
2. Restarted the computer in safe mode.
3. Logged in as Admin user and opened the ATI preference pane to verify it sees the card.
When the ATI preference pane was loaded the following error message occured:
A startup problem has occured.
Cannot connect to ATI TVOut Kernal Extension. Some features are not available.
Clicked OK and the ATI preference pane appears.
4. Close the preference pane and reinstalled ATI Displays 4.5.6. Restarted computer.
Problem Occurs
5. Restarted computer holding down AppleOption+PR to clear PRAM. Cleared the PRAM 4 times in a row, by allowing the chime to happen 4 times.
Problem Occurs
6. Shut computer down. Disconnected the DVI plug for the cinema display and connected a VGA CRT monitor. Started computer.
Problem Occurs
7. Shut computer down, disconnected the VGA CRT monitor. Reconnected DVI plug and restarted computer.
Problem Occurs
8. Started the computer in safe mode. Logged into admin account. Opened the ATI Preference pane.
When the ATI preference pane was loaded the following error message occured:
A startup problem has occured.
Cannot connect to ATI TVOut Kernal Extension. Some features are not available.
Closed preference pane.
Went to ATI site and downloaded:
aug2005-radeo-universal-rom-update.dmg
Ran the updater.
Restarted computer.
Problem Occurs.
9. Restarted the computer in safe mode. Changed the login preference pannel to automatically log into the administrator account. Restarted computer, waited for the blue screen, then walked away for about 2 hours with the computer on blue screen, hoping the system was loading or doing something.
Problem Occurs.
10. Put in the TechTools Pro CD, hoping to run some tests on the video card from the cd. When booting from the CD OS...
Problem Occurs.
11. Enabled Root user. Logged in as root and installed ATI Displays 4.5.6 from there. Restarted computer.
Problem Occurs.
12. Shut down computer and installed old video card.
13. On an internal hard drive in the computer. Wiped the drive and formatted it. Installed 10.4.1 on the drive. booted up into the drive, installed ATI drivers, shut down computer, installed 9800 pro video card, booted up.
Problem Occurs.
With the new 9800 for Mac ATI card with 256mb:
With original card, install drivers, repairpermissions, shut down, install new card
Set to restart in single user, give 5 min to see if ATI monitor startup item in user starteputems loads
Hooked VGA & DVIt in together, both showed blue screen
Reset NVRAM via open firmware
Reset cuda button
Take battery out, wait at least 10 min, re-install new battery, press cuda button
Reinstall ATI update 4.5.6
Reset nvram from open firmware
In ATI control panel, selected 'Force Single Display Operation'
Change display scaling to 50%
Download latest Mac OS update from apple & reinstall
Help?

I get dizzy just thinking about it.
I have tried installed a brand new OS, 3 different times on a different Hard Drive, still the card doesn't work.
I had one person suggest that it may be the card is not communicating with the OS Window Drawing module? (excuse my ignorance of what that is really called. I just know there is some program, possibly in the kernel, that is responsible for drawing out the OS windows.)
How can we rule out that it is a bad AGP slot?
•The slot works fine with my 9000.
•It works in safe mode with the 9800.
•I have installed a brand new OS, three different times, still doesn't work.
•I have used Apple Hardware test to test my hardware, the AGP slot didn't report any problems.
I am assuming that the AGP slot is working. Although I worry about it a bit, because by now I have swapped cards in it about 50 times in my troubleshooting.
Here is a link to a complete list of everything I have tried:
http://www.macosx.com/help/qview.php?questionid=19554#54138

S-Video not working on ATI Radeon 9800 Pro????

I've had this ATI Radeon 9800 Pro in my MDD dual 1.25 G4 for a little while with two VGA monitors. I recently got rid of the secondary monitor and moved a 27" flat screen tube TV next to the computer. As I always do, I've got to start tinkering. I remembered that my Radeon has both VGA, DVI, and an S-Video outputs. I simply ran an S-Video from the card to the TV. I can't seem to get it to work. I had never used the ATI control panels so I went ahead and downloaded and installed it. It won't "detect" the TV in the Mac2TV control. What the heck am I doing wrong???? I emailed ATI and they just sent me a form reply to a dead link saying that my system is unstable. UGH!
Any tips would be great.
Thanks much,
Robert

Well, I figured out that if I reboot and only have the s-video attached and no monitors to the VGA or DVI it will work. It dedicates the TV as the primary screen. However, not the best picture. I can't find any information if both the s-video and VGA or DVI can operate at the same time. I'm also doing a little more research with ATI to see if they actually have a true component output from either the VGA or DVI. I had bought a DVI to what I thought was supposed to be component but it was actually RGB component and just gave a distorted image. If I can get that to work, I think it would be a better image along with being able to run both the monitor and the TV as the secondary.
Robert

Having trouble with my G4 MDD 867MHz DP and ATi Radeon 9800 Pro video card.

I just recently purchased the ATi Radeon 9800 Pro Mac edition card on ebay. I installed the card on my G4 and turned it on thinking everything would work with no problems, but when I turned it on the grey apple screen came up fine and then it changed to a sky-blue screen with nothing on it and remained on that screen. My desktop or any of my apps did not load up at all. I reset the PRAM and the NVRAM as the seller I bought the card from instructed me to and still I get the same result. Is anyone familiar with this problem? I was wondering if my monitor was the problem because I'm using a Dell LCD monitor as the display for right now? I need help! I'm trying to get this up and running so I can start editing. Whatever information anyone can give me will be greatly appreciated!

Sometimes display cards that support multiple displays (or a second display card in the same Mac) can cause the display you are using to be the SECOND display in a multiple-display "extended desktop".
When this happens, the MenuBar and cursor may be drawn perfectly, but be on the "other" screen, and it is very difficult to determine what has happened. \[This problem is sometimes caused by inadvertently leaving an adapter or cable on an unused display port.]
Try moving the mouse many times to the right to see if the cursor suddenly transitions onto your screen, then try the same experiment to the left.

[Athlon64] MSI K8T NEO-V : incompatibility with ATI RADEON 9800 PRO

Hi,
I read all the subjets on this forum about Radeon problems with MSI K8T NEO motherboard. Most of the peple can't use their graphic card in all situations.
My PC is :
-MSI K8T NEO-V
-AMD-64 3200
-Power : 400W
-ATI RADEON 9800 PRO
-1 Go DDRAM (2x512 in single channel)
-Hercules Digifires 7.1
I bought a new MSI K8T NEO-V with AMD 64.
The problem is that I can't use the computer in the games with AGP 8X even if I try to enable-disable all the options possibles in BIOS and Windows (fast write ...) : The computer freeze (screen disapear as if there was no video signal), reboot or return to Windows disabling the accelerated mode.
But in AGP 4X, all the game run without problem with all setups of BIOS !!!
I tried all the drivers (the new and the old drivers). Even if all are updated, it freeze.
There are no BIOS update for my motherboard. I saw that some people had BIOS update for compatibility with some Radeon cards ...
So, I don't know how to repair the problem because AGP 8X is AGP 8X and not 4X, and my Radeon run fine on other computer, and nothing say that Radeon 9800 pro don't run on this motherboard.
Does someone have the solution to make it work ? Does a new BIOS or driver update exist somewhere for Radeon cards ?

What Bas said about 30+ amps on the 12v rail does have merit. Even if you don't use it now there may come a time when you want to upgrade the system and certainly you won't want to buy yet another PSU then. A High end vid card now takes almost as much as the CPU to operate. Now days the 12v rail is the most important. Past systems regulated everything off the 5v railk and 12v was used mostly for powering drive motors. Now though the MB's use the 12v line to regulate all the voltages for the CPU, Chipset and other features as does the Vid cards. 3.3 volt lines are used for memory so we hardly use any 5v nowdays.
You have an older viod card and that does not eat much 12v but if you upgrade the most likely peice will be the vid card. You could go through this whole thing all over again if you are not careful to plan for that now with a new PSU purchase.
If the computer shop gives you a bunch of bull about power needs havbe them stop by the forum and we can help set them straight on this. There is more than enough data from MSI and historical data here that suggests that 16a on the 12v rail is certainly not enough. Hey I am not trying to sell you anything. I am just trying to help you get it right. The computer shop is the one trying to sell you something we just feel they are selling the wrong junk.

G5 graphics card error: ATI Radeon 9800 pro

Hi there,
The display on my mac has all of sudden gone haywire, there's bars across the entire screen that keep on changing colours/flickering etc, and when I try to drag open windows they become blocks of noisey colour.
So far i've tried resetting PRAM/NVRAM, ran the hardware test which picks up an error on the VRAM which is: 2ATI/1/4:113-A1440; ;16 (I think, it's very difficuilt to read properly), also pulled the graphics card out, given it a bit of a dust etc and put it back in to no avail. I've also tried plugging in another monitor which had the same problem.
I'm assuming my graphics card's fried, but I wanted to check on here to see if anyone had any other ideas. I'm slightly wary about splashing out on a new card when i'm not completely sure it's the card that's the problem, it could be the logic board for all I know. Also not too keen in taking it to the apple shop as it'll be away for up to two weeks, and I really need a working machine just now.
My specs are G5 single 1.8ghz, 512 ram, ATI Radeon 9800 pro card (not the special edition)
Apologies for the long message, and for any spelling mistakes as I can barely see what i'm typing, any advice most appreciated.

I would suggest first blowing compressed air all around the inside including logic board and video card (if you are adept at removing the card and reinstalling the better, careful not braking the AGP clip at the end of the slot that latches into the end of the card). Also keep the can upright at all times. This should help dislodge dust that build up over time and may cause overheating and unusual operation.
Then run Apple Hardware Test disc that came with your computer and run the extended test. It should at least help give you an idea if it's the logic board and/or video card. It's not 100% failsafe, but worth a shot.

Ms-6570 Radeon 9800 pro keeps freezing up

hello I just purchased at radeon 9800 pro and everytime i play a game the screen freezes up at random and the sound starts to echo. I know this is a video card problem as my gf4 works fine in my system. I have read most of the posts in this forum and have disabled and enabled all kinds of stuff trying to aleviate this problem but nothing seems to work. Good ol Nvidia, why did I ever doubt you? All my components are farely new and all my drivers and bios are up to date. I have tried doing a fresh install of windows xp as well. I am torn, I have been eye ballin a DFI lan party motherboard, but I am wondering if a MSi 5950FX would fix my problem. I doubt i will ever purchase an ati again, sad, but they will not return my emails and put you on hold for countless hours. Replacing my existing hardware is a last resort though as i would like to get some klipsh 5.1 instead! Pleae help, so many games, so little time, so many Freezes!!!!!!!

isa 0 system timer
isa 3 com2
isa 4 com1
isa 6 floppy
isa 8 system cmos
isa 9 MS axpi compliant system
isa 13 numeric data processor
pci 5 nvidia nforce pci system managment
pci 14 nvidia nforce spp/igp ata controller
pci 15 nvidia nforce spp/igp ata controller
pci 16 creative sb audigy 2 wdm
pci 17 ohci compliant ieee 1394 host controller
pci 19 radeon 9800 pro
pci 20 standard enhanced pci to usb host controller
pci 21 nvidia nforce mcp networking controller
pci 21 standard openhcd usb host controller
pci 22 standard openhcd usb host controller

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