Deleteing old backups an changing backup times help

i have a western digital 1TB hard drive for my macbook and it is converted to a time machine. i just hooked it up and was curious how to change the backup times and if it is ok to delete previous backups

mtx34 wrote:
i have a western digital 1TB hard drive for my macbook and it is converted to a time machine. i just hooked it up and was curious how to change the backup times
Hi, and welcome to the forums.
It's usually best to let TM do it's hourly backups. If they're using too much time or disk space, see item #9 in the Frequently Asked Questions *User Tip* at the top of this forum.
If they're slow or hanging, see item #D2 in the Time Machine - Troubleshooting *User Tip* at the top of this forum.
You can use the free Time Machine Editor: http://timesoftware.free.fr/timemachineeditor/
But note if you ever want to resume hourly backups, use TME to set that schedule before deleting the app. Otherwise, Time Machine will keep using the last schedule set by TME.
Also note that if the TM drive is disconnected when TM wants to do a backup, it will just wait until it's connected again -- no harm, no foul. And it's also ok to cancel a backup (but try to avoid it on the first, full backup); TM will just continue on the next time. But do be sure to eject the disk before disconnecting it.
and if it is ok to delete previous backups
Under normal circumstances, you shouldn't have to. Unless the +*Warn when old backups are deleted+* box is checked in TM Preferences > Options, it will automatically delete your oldest backups when it needs room for new ones.
You can, if you want, delete old backups, or all backups of a selected item, but only via the TM Interface. See item #12 in the FAQ Tip.
You might want to review these:
Time Machine Tutorial
Time Machine 101
How to back up and restore your files
Time Machine Features

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