Deleting a Business System and related/assigned objects

I am PI newbie (as will soon become apparent) so first I apologise for my “simple” question.
In PI one business system has been replaced with another e.g. BS_US_1CLNT is replaced by BS_US_2CLNT. I want to delete the first business system and all its related components and links without breaking anything, preferably.
What is the best way to do this? I assume I go to the interface builder, select Object View, then select BS_US_1CLNT and open the object list. The object list consists only of communication channels so I can right click on each CC and delete? But what if these have been assigned already to Configuration Scenarios? Are there other objects/assignments I should take care of or check? Is this the right way to go about this i.e. simply right click on each CC under the BS_US_1CLNT tree and then delete?
Please help me with the steps I should take to proceed with this, and any objects etc. I should take care of.
All help greatly appreciated.
Wish you all a nice day further.

Hi Glen,
It is not easy just to delete all the objects pointing to a certain business system, but the way to delete would be communication channels first and then the business system would be last.
When deleting a communication channel, you can see where it is used by right-clicking on it and then select the Where-Used List option. It will list the objects that uses that communication channel, namely receiver agreement (for receiver) and sender agreement (for sender).
Once you have re-created the receiver/sender agreements to use the new business system, it should now be safe to delete the channels and the sender/receiver agreements. You should also do the same with the business system, right-click it and select Where-Used List. You also need to re-create the objects that uses that business system e.g receiver det, interface det, receiver agreement (if not yet deleted), sender agreement.
Do not worry about being a newbie, everyone of us started as one
Hope this helps,
Mark

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