Deleting masters and versions in Aperture

I can't seem to delete either masters or versions from my aperture project or library. I select the picture, press apple-delete, get the expected dialogue boxes warning me what will happen, but when I go ahead and press delete nothing happens. Very frustrating

Hi,
I can't seem to delete either masters or versions from my aperture project or library. I select the picture, press apple-delete, get the expected dialogue boxes warning me what will happen, but when I go ahead and press delete nothing happens. Very frustrating
After the dialog box, you should be pressing the <Enter> or <Return> key to confirm, not the <Delete> key.

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Deleting Masters and Versions and pics duplicating as versions

I'm working with a small library of some flower images and had done a 'quick and dirty' auto adjustment and easy rating [4]; then I went back and on the Versions [selected Adjustments are Applied to have only the versions show up in browser] noted some are Rejects [X]. I thought I could then delete the two images, one master and one version.
But, when I go in to delete the Master it just does it = without a warning [I have show warning selected in prefs] - but when I go in to delete a =Version 2 it gives me the Delete Masters Warning....in other words, Aperture is treating Versions like Masters and Masters like Versions.
Also when I go into List view to check things I find Master is [for instance] 9.47mb but so is Version 2 the same size = in other words when I do an adjustment and create a Version it's not just creating small kb size versions via data but is actually duplicating and then applying the adjustment.
These are pics in the library not referenced.
[I'd put a picture here but don't know how and hope my description makes sense]

Thanks = I reread it and am thinking of the images in that way. As I tried to explain, In the library were images which I reviewed and made adjustments to [auto adjustment plus rating]. Then I did a filter to show only Versions [in which images that show are where adjustments were applied] so that only Versions would so up, marked some as Rejects with X and planned to delete those but not the masters for them.
When I would go to delete the Version [its name would have Version 2 in it], it was treated as if it was a Master and the Delete Masters warning would come up. But when I would go to delete a Master [not a version] no such warning would come up at all even if there were a version and master associated together.
I went to List view to check and be sure and what I am seeing is that the Master has 9.4 mb in size but the Version which was created by the auto adjustment + rating ends up also with 9.4mb and not just a few K for the data -- so that what appears to me to be happening is that the Master image is, in fact, being duplicated and not just having data changes applied = there is no size differential between the Master and the Version, in other words.

Exporting masters and versions

I am trying to export photos from Aperture to an external drive just as jpegs and raws, not as library. So first I exported versions, now I am exporting masters and trying to put them to the same folders (to keep all versions of the same photo together) and it turns out that Aperture gave the same names to masters and versions which makes it impossible to save them to the same folder. Any advice here?...

JaneTsv wrote:
By the way - Aperture creates thousand os versions for the same photo. Is there a way to delete duplicates after exporting (it gives them different names)?
?!? No it doesn't. Where are these thousands of Versions coming from? Are they from 'create new versions when making adjustments' which you can turn off? Are new Versions appearing when you export? This statement doesn't make sense.
JaneTsv wrote:
I see... Looks like apple did their best to keep people from moving from Aperture to other programs...
Step 1. Select all Versions in the Library.
Step 2. Export Versions using a Project Name subfolder format.
Step 3. Export Masters using a Project Name subfolder format.
There is no step 4. That's all there is to it.
You end up with a Finder folder for each Project, containing both the Master files, plus Versions in whatever file format you chose.
If you're having huge problems with lots of duplicate Masters from Aperture exporting a copy for each Version, it's still only a three step process:
Step 1. Select all Versions in the Library.
Step 2. File>Relocate Masters... using the Project Name subfolder format. This will move all the Masters out of the Library package and into a regular folder structure.
Step 3. Export Versions using a Project Name subfolder format into the same top-level folder.
Again, no step 4, you're done.
Ian

Importing Masters and Versions from iPhoto

Is it possible to import both Masters and the associated Adjusted Versions from iPhoto into Aperture 3?
The manual tells how to import the masters into the Aperture library but does not seem to tell how to import the corresponding versions adjusted in iPhoto.

In iPhoto all images are masters in a sense. When you adjusted an image in iPhoto a duplicate image was made and the adjustments were done to the duplicate giving you two separate files.
When you import your iPhoto library into Aperture these two files (the original and the adjusted image) are two separate files as far as Aperture is concerned. Aperture will keep them together and apply keywords to each to help you sort it all out once you running the Aperture library but they will not have the same master version relationship that masters and versions created in Aperture have.
So when you import your iPhoto library all images will come over, you don't need to do anything special to get the adjusted images.

Aperture wont delete masters or versions!

Help! I have aperture 1.5.1 running on a intel core solo mini and there are dozens of files it that won't delete! I select them, Aperture states it will delete the master and version, and then aperture highlights the next image and leaves the old one in tact. Any ideas?

I am getting the following error when trying to add files to the vault. This is a brand new from scratch vault btw.
2 errors occurred. The first 2 are:
Aperture has detected a problem with the vault ‘Untitled Vault’. You need to remove this vault and create a new one.
Aperture has detected a problem with the vault ‘Untitled Vault’. You need to remove this vault and create a new one.

How to export both masters and versions w/ metadata?

When traveling I import photo files into Aperture on my laptop and edit them. When I get home I would like to export "everything" - masters, versions, and metadata, so that I can then import all of this into Aperture on my desktop. Or, perhaps there is another way to transfer all of this information into Aperture on my desktop? The export menu seems to give only the option to export either masters or versions, but I want to basically duplicate on my desktop a particular project from my laptop. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!

You get the option to either add the contents of the being-imported Library to the being-imported-into Library, or to merge the contents. In neither case is the being-imported-into Library replaced.
It is always a good idea to maintain a practice Library of a few hundred images, and to use it to try out any actions you fear might destroy your work.
There is an entire chapter in the User Manaul on using Library files. It is part of the general introduction to Aperture (viz.: the first seven chapters), all of which is recommended reading as it provides the foundation needed to achor your exploration of the rest of this complex, powerful program.
What you want to do is part of that power -- it is specifically provided as a feature of Aperture:
This is particularly useful if you use a portable computer when on location or away from your studio, and a workstation at your studio. Any work done in the field can be exported from your portable computer as a library file and then merged with the library file on the workstation at your studio.
In your case, either export everything ("Export→Project as New Library") from the "field" computer, or simply import the entire "field" Library. The details of the workflow are up to you to determine. They will likely depend on what Images you want to maintain on your "field" computer -- whether that Library is a one-time only collecting basket, or is used for processing or showing Images collected on previous excursions.
Message was edited by: Kirby Krieger, added a bit.

Batch rename masters and versions

Like a dummy, I imported a huge photo shoot without using the easy re-naming.
Now, I want to rename every photo. I want to keep the numerical order, as it is critical for organizing the project photos. I want the Masters to be renamed (and I assume then that the versions just stay "version1" etc...). I have all my photos in stacks by master and version (not different masters).
How can I batch rename, keeping the sequential order that is already there.
(I have read the manual. I have searched on this forum. I still am a little unclear and, hence, the question.)
Thanks in advance!

If the images are referenced to an external location (outside Aperture's Library) then you can easily renaming them using Automator.
Copy all the images you are going to rename to a temp location. Just in case something goes wrong.
With Aperture closed open Automator, in the finder select all the images you need to rename and drag them to the right part of automator's screen. Now on the very left part select Finder, on the second column, near the bottom drag the rename finder items action to the right part, just under the window with all your images listed. Click on don't add so it will just rename the files (you made a copy previously). Select replace text and enter the old and new text. That way it will keep the numerical part of your files.
Press play and wait for the action to finish.
Check in the finder that the files have been renamed properly.
Open Aperture and go to the project with those images. If the masters can't be found go to File/Manage Referenced files... and in there you can reconnect to the right location. Usually this step won't be needed unless you move the masters to a new location.

Can I export masters and versions during the same export?

All,
Is there a way to export a master and it's versions at the same time?
If I have a master called 'waterfall.nef' and I have a couple of 5* versions of that master, I would like the resulting export to look like the following in the target folder:
[image date] waterfall1.nef
[image date] waterfall2.tiff (or .jpg)
[image date] waterfall3.tiff (or .jpg)
This way, I keep the master and the resulting 'picks' grouped together in my main library. (I plan on only keeping current year images in the aperture library. Older images will be exported to my main library and referenced in Aperture.)
Thanks for any suggestions,
P

No, taking a photo during video will always cause a short pause, and you will also hear the shutter click on the video.
Mike Sowsun
S110, SL1, 5D Mk III

Help- Deleted Masters and Trying to Recover via Thumbnails!!!

In an idiotic move, I just deleted the master images for an entire, very important, album. Nevertheless, I'm still seeing the thumbnails and large size previews in my Aperture photo album. They're decent quality and if I could even just be able to access and save these previews, my life would be a lot better. Is there anyway to turn the preview images into your masters?

JLFilms wrote:
I realize that they would normally be in the finder trash. I just got back from the assignment and, in a moment of complete negligence, I emptied the finder trash before I realized what I had done.
The previews are still there and the masters are nowhere to be found, I press the m key and it says the master cannot be found. I am seeing the thumbnails in the Aperture browser and the preview image comes up when I full screen the image but I cannot edit them or export them as the referenced, RAW file is missing.
sorry to hear this.
like Oliver said, "even after emptying the trash you can recover files ...... they are not actually deleted until you 'overwrite' them by adding or saving new information to your computer"
you can also use Boomerang Data Recovery. their support is nonexistent but the software recovers a lot.
http://www.boomdrs.com/macosx

Library photos: are they originals or originals and versions?

Hi,
In my library photos: are the thumbnails the originals, can it contain versions? I deleted numerous images from my library photos, when I delete them from the trash, a pop-up asks if I want to delete all versions... are these thumbnails the originals or can it contain versions also.
Thank you
Barb

Barb,
the forum software is acting up today - I see your question only in the email notifications, not in the thread?
With respect to deleting masters and versions, you may also have a look at Frank Caggiano's user tip: Deleting version also deleted the master
Because my iphoto crashed, I've spent many long hours on the support line with Apple. Then, my iMac was in the Apple store for 2 weeks while all the techs attempted to repair the crash. As part of the recovery of photos, the tech and I created one Aperture managed library. To ensure we didn't lose any photos, I, along with the Apple tech imported all the photo files in Finder; we knew we were going to get duplicates, even triples, but this was to ensure I didn't lose any photos. I now want to delete the duplicates, etc. In the library photos, I sorted the images by size and started to delete the duplicates and triples leaving just one image. Would you suggest another way?
So you got the images without any original filenames from a data recovery software? Then your images neither have the original filename, nor the creation date, nor any tags and keywords?
That is a really bad situation - sorry. The standard duplicate annihilator programs look for duplicates based on filenames, dates,sizs. But they will not be able to recognize your triplets of thumbnail, preview, original by comparing the content of the image. Aperture certainly cannot do this.
And I know of no newer external tool that can do this, but google for it. Maybe there are recent developments I am not aware of. Comparing the content of images with pattern recognition tools is a standard algorithm that should be available by now as a tool.
I sorted the images by size and started to delete the duplicates and triples leaving just one image.
Without any metadata to the images I see no other way. But it would help to bek the problem down into smaller batches of images - "divide and conquer" is a well-known approach to make hopelessly complex problems tractable.
I'd start by creating smart albums based on the size to keep the thumbnail sized images out of the way.
Then create projects for images you can recognize as images of certain events, like family pictures, vacation pictures.
Then drag the the images to their corresponding projects - even if you can only find a few groups that you can create, this will you save a lot of scrolling when comparing. It will be much easier to compare and recognize images, if there are not so many of them in the project or album you are looking at.
Regards
Léonie

Moving masters and their versions between libraries?

Is it possible to move masters and their versions between libraries?

the best and easiest way (that i have found) is to create a new project and put the masters and versions in there ... use export project to "extract" and then import the project in the different library ...
this is if you only want to move one or two masters/versions, if you want the whole project disregard creating the new one and moving images ...

Replacing older version of Aperture with newest one.

I purchased my 2011 MacBook Pro used and some software was left on it, mostly iLife stuff. Apparently Aperture was left on it as well and I recently realized that. It's definitely Aperture 3, but I'm not sure which version and I don't know if it's a trial or what, but I want to delete the older version of Aperture and downloaded the newest from the Mac App Store.
I have been playing around with the version on the computer just to make sure I like it, so I do have some photos saved in the current version.
How do I go about getting rid of the older version and upgrading to the newest MAS version? Will a Time Machine backup protect everything? Do I just drag the Aperture icon to the trash, then download the new MAS version? Do I need to export photos first? A little nervous about this as I don't want to lose anything.
Thanks for the help.

If it is Aperture 3, you can upgrade to the newest Aperture 3 version simply by selecting Software update from the Apple menu - you do not have to buy it, if you have Aperture on your machine. For software update to work, you should move the Aperture application to the Applications folder, if you keep it in another folder, and it needs to be named simply "Aperture".
As a precaution, before you upgrade from a much older version than the current version:
Write down the serial number of Aperture (if it is a pre-App Store version): You will find it in the "About" panel in Aperture's main menu bar: Aperture > About Aperture.
Create a current backup of your system - it should include your current Aperture version and the Aperture library.
Then run the Aperture Library First Aid Tools, to repair the Aperture Library,
see Repairing and Rebuilding Your Aperture Library: Aperture 3 User Manual
The repair before upgrading is important, because Aperture will upgrade the library to a new format, and it is safer to ensure that the library has no corruption.
Regards
Léonie

Master and Version sizes

Can someone please explain file sizes as they relate to Masters and Versions? I still get confused about this point. I would think my Master image would contain the most data, and therefore have the larger file size than its versions. However, perhaps I am mistaken on this point. When I export Masters, the file sizes are always a lot smaller than the associated versions that I export.
When I export a version, I am exporting it at JPEG Original size, so isn't this compressing the master? I thought this would cause it to have less data? I'm just really unclear about why the sizes differ and what is going on. For example, my Master JPEG might be 2MB, but an exported version of that image could be something like 4.46MB.
Mac

macorin wrote:
Corky,
Thanks, great stuff!
I have a few follow up questions. I hope it doesn't get too confusing.
1. The camera takes a picture. When I see an image size in Aperture of 2 MB, is that the same size that the image file was when the camera took it? Then it compresses it into a JPEG even if I was shooting in JPEG instead of RAW? So the 2 MB size image gets compressed to say 1 MB and then upon import into Aperture it gets uncompressed again and is seen at 2 MB?
With Aperture, the reported size of the file in the Metadata Inspector pane is about the size on disk (slightly smaller in my experience, but close). I am not sure what Aperture is doing here, but you can think of it as the space used on disk by the Master file. Aperture is not reporting the un-compressed (expanded) file state as Photoshop does when you work on the same file.
In the case of a digital camera, you capture an image and the sensor in the camera records the brightness value of the scene on the 'photo sites' of the sensor (the amount of photo sites on the sensor is expressed in Mega Pixels (means million pixels) by multiplying the number of sites in width by the number of sites in height). In this instance, Photo Site is expressed as pixel (3200 pixels x 2400 pixels = 7,680,000 pixels - or 7.68 Mega Pixels). The light captured by the camera travels through a color filter matrix where each site has a color value assigned to it.
When you shoot JPEG, the camera takes the brightness data from the sensor, combined with the color data collected and applies what is called a 'demosaic' process which predicts what color each adjacent pixel is to create a color image with smooth transitions between colors. The camera then processes this data (and applies compression in camera) to create a JPEG. This process does throw out data the camera software (firmware) decides is unnecessary to create a final JPEG image.
Current digital cameras do a good job (for the most part) of processing a nice JPEG image. If you shoot RAW, you are telling the camera not to process the sensor data and to save the uncompressed data for you to do the processing via a RAW processing program such as Aperture.
In short, the 2 MB file size you see in Aperture is what your camera delivered to the camera card after processing (although it might be 2.3 MB or something on disk).
2. If my scenario in #1 is correct, I still don't understand why a version being exported at a level 12 quality (which is where I set it) comes out roughly twice this size. Obviously I am missing something here. I understand about it being compressed less upon export if the quality setting is at 12, but it is still getting compressed, so how does it become bigger than the original size to begin with. Again, I am missing something there, so a little deeper insight would be helpful.
Based on my answer to #1, your Master file is 2 MB on disk and Aperture is reporting that to you. It is not telling you what size the uncompressed file size is prior to applying any adjustments and then re-compressing.
3. I do set my export quality settings to 12 as I want the highest quality file to be sent to photo processing sites for printing purposes. A) is this necessary and meaningful to get the best quality prints? B) Do I need to change the DPI settings to something higher than the default 72 when I export these versions for printing? I was always under the impression that 72 DPI was standard for viewing images on a computer screen, but not ideal for printing. Is it beneficial to change the DPI to something higher - 300 for example - for the purpose of exporting images to be printed?
For printing, you will want to export at 150 - 300 DPI. I have read many articles and some books which talk to this and most say that 240 DPI is as good as 300 DPI for all but fine art printing on high end machines. I typically use 150 DPI to start and see what the print looks like. There is no magic number for printing, it really is about verifying the result once printed and then you will know what setting you like the best.
One thing is that the higher the DPI you use, the smaller the size of the print at the native (original) resolution of your image. So for a 3200 x 2400 pixel image, you would exchange pixels for dots (in Dots Per Inch) which is used by the printer to put ink on paper.
3200/300 = 10.66 inches wide x 2400/300 = 8 inches tall
3200/150 = 21.33 inches wide x 2400/150 = 16 inches tall
In the examples above, you could print the same image at 10.66 x 8 inches or 21.33 x 16 inches depending on which DPI setting you export to print with.
4. I export versions and not masters when I am printing images. I do this because I generally make all of my edits in Aperture and I want those versions to be printed. It still seems odd to me that exporting versions gives me a larger file size than when I export masters. Don't the masters get exported with the same quality settings - i.e. 12 - upon export?
Exporting the versions is expected because that is when any adjustments are 'baked in' to your final file outside Aperture.
Exporting the Master is basically copying the original imported image file out of Aperture. There is an option to write IPTC information to the Master on export, but - to the best of my knowledge - that does not require any uncompress / re-compress process.
Aperture only reads the data in the Master once to generate an image on screen for you to work with (at least this is my understanding). It's the version that is subject to any re-compression on export, not the Master. In this way, Aperture protects the original Master file from destructive alteration.
Anyway, those are my understandings. There are many here who are way beyond my skill / knowledge level, so hopefully I have expressed the information accurately and adequately.

Aperture freezes while attempting to delete Masters & Versions

So the first thing I wanted to do after installation and importing my iPhoto library was to delete all the dupes I had imported from iPhoto (about 8000 jpegs and raws). I go to list mode and click on rolls so all files are shown in a file number hierarchy. I select multiple files and 1 of 2 things happens. The first scenario is after selecting multiple files, I select "delete all master and versions". I then get a confirmation message saying you have selected 1 file and this action will permanently remove it. I say yes and it deletes the first file selected in the series. The second scenario is the confirmation gets the number of files correct, but when I confirm the dialogue box, I get the SBBOD. The SBBOD never goes away, the files never delete and I have to force quit the application to get out.
I called Aperture support this morning. They were friendly, sympathetic, but offered no solutions other than to say that it would be sent on to the engineers for review.
I have repaired permissions, re-installed the app and even deleted the Aperature library and re-imported the iPhoto library. No change.
I should have know better than to buy version 1.0.
Any ideas other than suicide? (Just kidding about the suicide thing)

Let me address the problem from a different angle. Has anyone attempted to delete 50+ files? Any problems?
thanks,
bob

I recently upgraded to Yosemite 10.10.2 and Aperture 2.1.4 will no longer open. I cannot access my photos and I don't want to pay for latest version of Aperture since this application is no longer going to be supported. How can I get my pictures?

I recently upgraded to Yosemite 10.10.2 and Aperture 2.1.4 will no longer open. I cannot access my photos and I don't want to pay for latest version of Aperture since this application is no longer going to be supported. How can I get my pictures?

If you want just the originals, then you can go into the Aperture library (right click on it and do "show package contents"). Inside is a directory called "Masters" and you can find the original files in a bunch of subfolders.
But... you'll lose all adjustments, keywords, and other information, and just have the files as they were imported originally from the cameras.
Easiest is probably to buy Aperture and update everything, and then migrate to the Photos application down the road if that's what you want. Aperture 3.0 came out in 2010 (five years ago!) so it's not like you've upgraded in a while

Deleting masters and versions in Aperture

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