Derivation rule in COPA from BSEG

Hi experts,
My issue is to derivate a field (SEGMENT) from Table BSEG in COPA.
Unfortunatly my customer donu2019t use the standard customizing from the SEGMENT derivation rule, we donu2019t populate the field SEGMENT in the profit center master data.
Firstly, with a user exit (U903 - ZRGGBS000) which is trigger with substitution rule we populated the field SEGMENT in BSEG.
Now I created a new characteristic WWSEG and I canu2019t derive it in KEDR with table look up, can I have your advices please?
With an abaper, we tried to find a solution with the COPA0005 exit but he donu2019t find the logic to map the source field BSEG-SEGMENT and the target field COPA-WWSEG
Thanks
Kinds regards
Cédric

Hi Waman,
Thanks a lot for all and thanks to Dave.
But it doesn't work.
The segment in bseg-segment is filled when posting a FI document.
For reminder, the field BSEG-SEGMENT is firstly filled with a user exit.
We implemented the note 1135567, we created the program ZRFI_OSS_KEAK_SEGMENT adapting the code to our characteristic WWSEG, when we tested, in debug we drop in the Abap code but the structure COBL-SEGMENT is not filled, therefore the WWSEG is not filled.
Have you other idea to solve my issue ?
Best regards
Cédric

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