Derivation rules in copa

what is derivation rule? what is the function of derivation rule in copa

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Table look up and derivation rule in COPA

Hi,
What is the difference between table look up and derivation rule in COPA. How do we inter rellate them in customizing.
Please clarify.
Thanks and Regards,
Ram
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Hi ram,
Herewith i am giving you link i hope this will help full to you.
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Method which is used in the derivation step.
You can choose from the following derivation types:
Derivation rule :
Derivation rules are "if-then" rules, in which you specify which combination's of characteristic values will yield which target characteristic values.
Table look-up :
Table look-ups let you determine characteristic values by having the system read them from any table. The source fields must correspond to the key of the table where you want the system to find the target value.
Thanks,
Anil

Derivation rule in COPA

Hi
kindly explain me the derivation rules possible ways of derivation in COPA
based on costing based.

Hi,
Please check the following link:
https://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp60_sp/helpdata/en/7a/4c38ee4a0111d1894c0000e829fbbd/content.htm
Regards,
Pavan Kumar Arvapally

Derivation rule in COPA from BSEG

Hi experts,
My issue is to derivate a field (SEGMENT) from Table BSEG in COPA.
Unfortunatly my customer donu2019t use the standard customizing from the SEGMENT derivation rule, we donu2019t populate the field SEGMENT in the profit center master data.
Firstly, with a user exit (U903 - ZRGGBS000) which is trigger with substitution rule we populated the field SEGMENT in BSEG.
Now I created a new characteristic WWSEG and I canu2019t derive it in KEDR with table look up, can I have your advices please?
With an abaper, we tried to find a solution with the COPA0005 exit but he donu2019t find the logic to map the source field BSEG-SEGMENT and the target field COPA-WWSEG
Thanks
Kinds regards
Cédric

Hi Waman,
Thanks a lot for all and thanks to Dave.
But it doesn't work.
The segment in bseg-segment is filled when posting a FI document.
For reminder, the field BSEG-SEGMENT is firstly filled with a user exit.
We implemented the note 1135567, we created the program ZRFI_OSS_KEAK_SEGMENT adapting the code to our characteristic WWSEG, when we tested, in debug we drop in the Abap code but the structure COBL-SEGMENT is not filled, therefore the WWSEG is not filled.
Have you other idea to solve my issue ?
Best regards
Cédric

LSMW for creating Derivation Rules in COPA

Hi Experts,
Is it possible to create a LSMW for COPA - Derivation Rules. When I am trying to select Default All tab to update the field name, the system is not permitting me to default the filed names.
Phani

Hi Phani ,
I think your concern is about updating dervation rule values not derivation rule .
You can cut paste 20 rule values at a time .. so use cut paste .. from excel.. Updating 1000 values will not take more than 20 mins ..
I have never used LSMW for Derivation rule values.. as from excel you can easily cut paste and do it within 30 mins.
Regards
Sarada

Derivation Rule: COPA

Hello Everyone,
Could you please tell me how to write derivation rule in COPA. I would appreciation if you send me any document related to it.
Thanks in advance.
Sneha

Hi
I am working on SAP-ISU project. Our system is very old and we need to maintain it upt 2011. I found a Note 734718 for schedule records and implemented it.
I have searched for the programs which uses '31.12.2009' as end date. I found two programs RKEVKED0, LSSQ0V28. These are called dynamically. When I see the program I found that type-pools for KEDR is used. Also in the code dynamic table declaration is used.
I looked at KEDR transaction and nothing understood about it.
Can you please tell me how these programs are generated and why 31.12.2009 is used as end date.
Thanks in advance
Vijay

COPA derivation rule for GL fields

we are using Transaction type (BSEG_BEWAR) to store additional information for our Sales reporting. During the GL entry this field is update. I have created Derivation rule in COPA using table look up. The table I am using is BSEG. I have characteristics defined for Transaction type- WWTTY.
when the table lookup is populated I get following fields in source as target :
BSEG -
> BUKRS                                COPA --> BUKRS
BSEG -
> BELNR                               COPA -
> BELNR
BSEG -
> GJAHR                              COPA ---> GJAHR
BSEG -
> BUZEI                               COPA -
> WWDOC ( This is custom defined in COPA)
Assignment of Target Fields:
BSEG ---> BEWAR                                COPA -
WWDOC
Still I am in seeing COPA getting updated with Transaction type value.
Need input to solve this issue.
Thanks in advance

Hi Ajay,
Thank you so much for your reply.Please note that the GL is a cost element but the category in system is 1 and not 12.However I would like understand as to why is this happening.why does the system picks up derviation rule for a Gross sales GL and not for Discount GL(Cost element).
The distribution channel gets updated for sales GL when i check the prof segment of the line item, however this is not the case with doscount GL.
I would like to understnad the implication before changing cost element category from 1 to 12 as it runs across system.
Kindly provide some more explaination.
thanks in advance.

COPA-Offset Derivation Rules

Hi
Pls let me know how to create offset derivation rules in COPA
Thanks

Hi Deepthi ,
The best way to find out is to check the characteristics in both the release orders seperately ..
Go to Transaction KE21S ( Select Record Type F , Point of Valuation 1) and simulate the characteristics derivation for both the orders seperately ..
. For simulation .. enetr parameters like order no , company code , plant .. etc and click on derivation .. System will derive the sales mode .. for both the orders . You will be able to find out the differences in characteristics .. which is causing the issue ..
Instead of KE21S .. you can also use transaction KEDR . In KEDR screen , enter (F8) or click on test icon and simulate the characteristics derivation..
Hope this will solve your issue .. Please revert back for any further clarifications..
Regards
Sarada

Replicating COPA derivation rules in BI

Hi All,
We have a requirement where we are creating an extractor and COPA derivation rules available in ECC needs to be replicated in BI. My doubts are-
1. Could this be directly achieved in BI, if yes then how would we maintain sync between the ECC derivation rules and the replicated ones in BI. If there is some update on these rules, how would the respective BI rules get updated?
2.Should this be handled during extraction in ECC itself. If yes, what is the best approach for this?
any pointers catering to the above questions and anything related to mapping derivation rules in BI would be a great help.
Thanks in advance for your help and time.
Regards,
Bansi.

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Derivation rule to determine customer tax classification in COPA

Hi Experts,
Please guide me to complete this assignment.
The requirement is to fetch the material tax classification and customer tax classificaion into COPA through derivation rule.
we can fetch material tax classification through table VBRP.
Please help me to derive customer tax classification( KNVI-TAXKD) through derivation.
Customer tax classification data is available in table KNVI.
But when you consider KNVI table through table lookup it is asking customer, country key and tax category. To define this derivation rule we need tax category values in COPA.
We can get customer and country key but not tax category.
How to bring tax category (KNVI-TATYP)
into COPA to define derivation rule to fetch customer tax classification( KNVI-TAXKD).
Please suggest me if any alternative solution to bring customer tax classification data into COPA.
Points will be assigned to usefull answer.
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Amar.

HI,
The Tax related thing are balance sheet items . which can not be considered at CO-PA.
only revenue item will be considered at Co-pa.
Hope this is clear
With regards
krishna

Copa derivation rule not working for Discount GL

Hi All,
Kindly note that I have a distribution rule where company & plant combination is used where condtion is that customer group 3 should be 018 and then replace distribution channel to 03.However the rule is not working for discount GL posted in the billing document.
I tried testing it in FB50 but then it does not allows me to enter plant and because of that derivation rule fails. However in my billing doc I do see a plant against discount GL and still the rule is not getting picked.
I had raised this issue earlier but the reply where not as expected and so I have rephraised my question.
Kindly help me on this.
Regards
Pranay

Hi Pranay
I could not understand your req to a great detail, following are my observations
1. There should be derivation rule in place 1st of all to derive customer group from billing doc...
Check if Cust Group is populated in your COPA doc or not.. For this cust group should be a segment level char in KEQ3
2. Create a derivation rule using method "Derivation".
Source fields would be Cust Group, Plant and Company code ( I guess you want to change dist channel with this combination)
Target field would be VTWEG (Dist Channel)....Click on the magnifying lens beside VTWEG and choose relevant radio button "Overwrite if ......."
CLick on RULE VALUES and maintain the required Values there
This should work...
Regards
Ajay M

Copa derivation rule for customer group

Hi All,
I am currently facing an issue with Derivation rule and hope someone can help me on resolving this.I have created a COPA derivation rule which has field as
Source Field
company code
Plant
Target field
Distribution channel
Condition
customer group 3 = 18.
so ideally with this conbination the distribtion channel gets updated
for the sales order.
However the issue we are facing is that the rule is working for only 1st line item and not for the others. I have also kept setting as" overwrite values only if new values found"
e.g if we see the accounting doc of billing then
line item 1 customer: x
line item 2 SaLes GL: rule works fine and dist channel is updated.
line item 3 discount GL: rule does not work.
Have checked the derivation rule and it looks correct.
Can you kindly suggest solution to this.

Hi Ajay,
Thank you so much for your reply.Please note that the GL is a cost element but the category in system is 1 and not 12.However I would like understand as to why is this happening.why does the system picks up derviation rule for a Gross sales GL and not for Discount GL(Cost element).
The distribution channel gets updated for sales GL when i check the prof segment of the line item, however this is not the case with doscount GL.
I would like to understnad the implication before changing cost element category from 1 to 12 as it runs across system.
Kindly provide some more explaination.
thanks in advance.

COPA derivation rule :more than 6 target fields

Hi ,
As per client's requirement I need to include 10 target fields in a COPA derivation rule . Now after entering 6 , I can see rest of the rows are greyed out ; it looks like SAP does not allow more than 6 as target .
I tried to find out if such limitation is mentioned anywhere in SAP documentation but I could not find ; if anyone has any reference doc on that please let me know .
Secondly , how to meet the requirement ? I can break the same into 2 separate derivation , say 6 target & related rule value in the first and in just next step another 4 targets & rule value ; the source remains same in both the step .
OR any COPA user exit / enhancement will help me accommodate all 10 targets in a single step of derivation ? as far as my knowledge goes SAP provided COPA user exits (1 to 5) will not be helpful here .
Awaiting your help ...
Regards
Indranil Sen

Dear Indranil Sen,
As per my knowledge it is not possible to mention more than 6 source and target fields for a derivation rule.
Because for that program, SAP defines that (1+5) fields for that screen.
That is the reason you are getting the gray color after 6 entries
Yes we can increase that limit but for that we need the access key.
If you have access key authorization, you can increase the limit
Reasons in detail:
Screen filed what you are looking for is:
DYNP5400-SRC-NAME-FIELDNAME
There you can enter (1+5) entries only. enhancement for that field is difficult.
So you can opt for 2nd option as you said.
Let see Mr. Waman Shirwaicar's views on this issue.
Regards,
Pavan Kumar Arvapally

How derivation rule works in COPA.

Hi All,
I am working on profitability analzsis.I have searched in sdn and i am able to create the derivation rule.
But i am not understanding how it will works and what is the purpose of this.
Can anybody please let me know how derivation rule works in COPA.
Thanks,

Hi,
Derivation rule contains the parameters and conditions as to how to derive a value for a given characteristic.
it contains
Source Fields - from where the source field is originatingand the field name
Target fields - contains what is the target field in COPA for the relevant source field.
This field is nothing but the charactiristic.
For example:
When an SD document is posted, system will look for all the characterics available in the doucment like plant, profit center, division, district, country etc
for each of these characteristics, there must be values for example plant - xx18, profict center - 100000, district - bangalore, country - India etc.
once we define the characteristic values for each of the characteristic, if the values in the document are available in the characteristic value definition, then system will fetch these values to COPA
Else it will throw error that characteristic value is not defined
I hope your question is clarified
Best Regards
surya

COPA Derivation rule not running in background

Hi all
We are encountering a strange problem during derviation in document posting & creation of assets.
We have added a characteristic value Material group to the profitability segment and have added a derivation rule in KEDR based on order.
The rule is if the value of order number is filled then the material group is assigned a value.
Order number Assigned Material Group
Z0000000001 = 001210
The problem is that we have to manually go into the PA segment and click the derivation button OR just press enter to get the derivation working.
If we do not access the PA segment area then the derivation is not carried out in the background.
I have tried searching for notes and for some relevancy on the forums.
I have also taken screen-shots and uploaded them, please view in order.
Derivation Rule
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o23/zkage/Deriv1.jpg
Document Posting(Deriv rule not picked even order is placed)
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o23/zkage/deriv2.jpg
The PA segment before pressing enter or the button derivation
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o23/zkage/deriv4.jpg
The PA segment after pressing the button
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o23/zkage/deriv3.jpg
We require that the derivation runs in the background after we enter the line item details. The system is not picking the derivation if we directly post the document without checking the PA segment.
If there is some BADI or user exit we could use to manually replace the COPA characteristics explicitly at document posting, please let me know
Thank You

Hi,
You have to use the rule,
Moves it let you copy a constant or the content of the source field to target field.
With regards
krishna

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