Derivation Rules in FICO

Hi all,
I am new to FICO and i need to work on the Derivation Rules Txn KEDR in FI/CO.
That is i need to know the
1. Purpose
2. Example
3. Then walk through the process.
Actually i dont know anything about the Derivation Rules as well as KEDR. And i dont know what is the link between the KEDR and Derivation Rules.
Can anyone guide me on this. It will be a great help if anyone help me out in this.
Thanks in advance.......

Hi,
Derivation strategy determines the way to derive the values. Derivation rule will actually make you derive the values based on given parameters.
As I said earlier, say for example Business needs to analyse COPA values on Department wise. Now department field say not captured in any other means, then to derive the value of department and post in copa, u use KEDR.
In KEDR u specify the source fields which in turn act as the parameter comibnation throght which target field Department is to be populated.
Regard
Sudhakar Reddy

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KEDR - Derivation Rules in FICO

Hi all,
I want to know about the Transaction KEDR like what is the use of this tcode, how it works, etc....... As im new to FICO i dont understand about the Derivation Strategy, Derivation rules which is used in this Tcode.
Can anyone guide me on this. It will be a great help if anyone help me out in this.
Thanks in advance.......

Hi,
Derivation strategy determines the way to derive the values. Derivation rule will actually make you derive the values based on given parameters.
As I said earlier, say for example Business needs to analyse COPA values on Department wise. Now department field say not captured in any other means, then to derive the value of department and post in copa, u use KEDR.
In KEDR u specify the source fields which in turn act as the parameter comibnation throght which target field Department is to be populated.
Regard
Sudhakar Reddy

Error occurred in derivation rule

Dear All,
After saving the billing document, & it is not realesed to A/c. Document.My client came across the following error;
Error occurred in derivation rule. See long text
Message no. K/111
CO-PA Characteristic Derivation
Diagnosis
Step 0031 Category --> Item Category Dummy
No entry in a derivation rule was found for the specified source fields.
The derivation rule was set up so that an error message appears when this happens.
The required derivation rule entry would need the following source fields:
Customer
31970063
Procedure
Create an entry in a derivation rule for these source field values. Make sure that entries exist for all the valid source field values. If the derivation should not always be carried out, you can also define a derivation rule so that no error message appears if a derivation rule entry does not exist.
Maintain entries
Maintain derivation strategy
Waiting for the response.
Thanks & Regards,
SPT

Hi,
Check value fields assigned to each condition types and take a help of FICO consultant.
Use this link to understand what configuration steps need to be taken accross.
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_46c/helpdata/en/7a/4c38e14a0111d1894c0000e829fbbd/content.htm
Thanks,
Swamy H P

Derivation Rule Problem - Sales Order

Hi Friends
I am SD consultant, i wrote this issue on SD forum also, but it is related to FICO.
Please send me solution with complete path.
When i create a new sals order and click enter, a small screen open and message displayed on it "Error occured in Derivation Rule, Seee long text"
And when try to save sales order in display incompletion log. When i press on edit to complete it message diaplay " Item 10 ... Missing data- Profitability Segment No.
When i press on complete data - Account Assignment screen open (Business Area 9900)
Would you please send me solution to fix this problem
If you can give your email address, i will send you screen shot of the problem.
Thanks
Rajesh
Email: [email protected]

Hi Waman
I ckeck the transaction code /nKEDR there which entry i should select and in type of prfatibity Which one i should select Costing based or Accounting based.
I tried on selecting IDEA and Accounting based and eleased but still i getting same error.
My problem is still pending, please send next step to solve this issue
Thanks
Raj
Email: [email protected]

Derivation Rule in report painter

I want Product describtion along with Product number. in a report. I have created a derivation rule through KEDR. and coppied the product describtionin the rule. Now how to use this derivation rule in the report.

Harish,
There is no need to define seprate derivation rule as product description is readily available in COPA tables.
Just select product description characterstics for available list while designing report.If report already exists then go to change mode and make nessesary changes.
Please call me for any more inputs.
Ashok

Maintain Derivation Rules - TCode : GGB1

Hi friends
What is the importance of Maintain Derivation Rules (TCode : GGB1) with respect to Profit center accounting. Is it a compulsory step in configuration or not?
At our client we are implementing the ECC 6.0 with new GL activation. In this case what is the importance of this "Derivation Rules".
Thanks in advance.
Regards
Kiran

Hi,
GGB1 is used for substitution maintenance. It's certainly not manadatory. Only if you have some functional requirement for subsitution, you should use this transaction.
Regards,
Eli

Error while defining derivation rules in FMDERIVE

We are currently on ECC6. While defining Funds Mgmt .... activated the derivation rules in FMRULES. But when I try to define the derivation rules in FMDERIVE .. I get the following error: Syntax error in program "RFMDERIVE003 ".
Error in the ABAP Application Program
The current ABAP program "SAPMABADR" had to be terminated because it has
come across a statement that unfortunately cannot be executed.
The following syntax error occurred in program "RFMDERIVE003 " in include
"RFMDERIVE003 " in
line 32:
"The Dictionary structure or table "FMDERIVE003" is either not active o"
"r does not exist."
The include has been created and last changed by:
Created by: "SAP "
Last changed by: "SAP* "
Error in the ABAP Application Program
The current ABAP program "SAPMABADR" had to be terminated because it has
come across a statement that unfortunately cannot be executed.
How can the same be rectified. Kindly help.
Thanx
Shivaji

Hi,
Check the OSS note Note 644974 - Syntax error in program RFMXPR47. Looks like table FMDERIVE is missing.
Regards,
Sanjay

"Error occurred in derivation rule" & "No commitment item entered in item".

Unable to create Purchase Request (PR) and the following error message shows
"Error occurred in derivation rule. See Long Text"
Diagnosis
Fund From Commitment Item
No entry in a derivation rule was found for the specified source fields.
The derivation rule was set up that an error message appears when this happens.
The required derivation rule entry would need the following source fields:
Commitment Item
xxxxxxx
Procedure:
Create an entry in a derivation rule for these source field values. Make sure that entries exist for all the valid source field values. If the derivation should not always be carried out, you can also define rule so that no error message appears if a derivation rule entry does not exist.
Can any one help how to find out the root cause of the error and solve this issue
Regards,
GB

I was able to duplicate your error by creating the following.
I went to transaction FMDERIVE and created a derivation rule and named it "Fund From Commitment Item".
On the definition tab, I selected committment item (COMMIT_ITEM) for the source field and the target field selected (FUND).
The condition tab was left blank. NOTE: On the attribute tab I selected the option "Issue Error Warning If No Value Found).
I entered no rule values (F9) within the rule (for example such as commitment item XXXXXXX = fund YYYYY) and saved.
After creating this derivation rule, I get the same error message because there were no values in the derivation rule (the source commitment item used was not found in the rule).
If Fund is a field that is always keyed manually then I would not have such a derivation rule.
But you may have some exceptions (like we do) and in the case of exceptions you can populate the derivation rule with those exceptions... i.e. whenever commitment item XXXX is used then the fund should be equal to YYYY further using your conditions and attributes for your custom needs.

Derivation rule in COPA

Hi
kindly explain me the derivation rules possible ways of derivation in COPA
based on costing based.

Hi,
Please check the following link:
https://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp60_sp/helpdata/en/7a/4c38ee4a0111d1894c0000e829fbbd/content.htm
Regards,
Pavan Kumar Arvapally

Derivation Rule in PCA

Dear All,
we have an issue in profit center acccounting. Balance sheet account Vat input tax payable is picking dummy profit center instead of correct profit center. Basically we are doing the following steps. 1. Purchase order creation 2. Goods received via migo 3. invoice receipt via miro
At the time of miro posting, system is automatically created accounting document, with dummy profit center is assigned to Vat input tax payable account. For GR/IR clearing account right profit center is picking without any mistake.
Infact, Dummy profit center is assigned to this balance sheet account under tcode 3KEH.
Derivation rule is created for this balance sheet account along with plant condition to post to correct profit center under 3KEI . But system is taking only dummy profit center.
I have checked configuration and the following areas like Material master costing view, tax code areas, and account group but not find any mistake.
Please advice how to get correct profit center to this balance sheet account instead of dummy.

You have to do this with the Month end closing
TC
F.5D - Calculate
F.5E - Post
F.5F - Display Log
F.5G - Special Functions
This is the help from F.5D - Calculate
Short text
Calculate Balance Sheet Adjustment
Description
A balance sheet eadjustment distributes
receivables and payables in customer and vendor reconciliation accounts,
tax postings,
cash discount postings from the net method of posting vendor invoices as well as
valuated exchange rate differences in open items (this is a P&L item, but since receivables or payables increase or decrease depending on the valuation, a readjustment is also made for the exchange rate difference with a reverse +/- sign).
This process ensures the zero balance per business area necessary for creating business area balance sheets.
It consists of the following steps:
When posting a document, the system analyzes it to determine whether a balance sheet readjustment is necessary. If a readjustment is required, the system marks the document for readjustment.
Readjustments are calculated for the marked documents and stored in special tables.
This subfunction is described below.
The calculated readjustments are read and then distributed and posted in total to the appropriate accounts.
Fields Included in Readjustment
Readjustments are made for business areas if the function for business area balance sheets is activated in the company code in question. Readjustments are also made for trading partner business areas if the function for business area consolidation is activated.
If Profit Center Accounting is activated in the controlling area allocated to the company code, readjustments are made for profit centers as well as trading partner profit centers.
Note
The fields included in readjustment are determined when the original document is posted. Thus, the customizing settings for business areas and profit centers must be made prior to posting the first document. If these settings were not made, you can still mark posted documents for balance sheet readjustment by executing the subfunction for setting up the balance sheet readjustment (see below).
Basis for Distribution
The system uses the account assignments of the offsetting entries in the initial document to calculate the distribution. Offsetting entries are all G/L account items apart from tax items and cash discount items.
Readjustment is made only for those account assignments which were not specified during posting (their value is blank). If a value is entered in an account assignment field during posting, it is regarded as a correct entry and not changed by the readjustment.
Carrying Out the Distribution
Readjustments are transfer postings which create one or more account assignments (not blank) for the unspecified account assignments in original documents.
Scheduling the Program Run
You can run this program as often as you like.
Requirements
Account Determination
For each account, you can specify an adjustment account to post the readjustment to. Otherwise, the system posts the readjustment to the original account.
To distinguish readjustment postings from other postings, you should create separate adjustment accounts and have the readjustments posted to them.
Since reconciliation accounts cannot be posted to directly, you have to specify adjustment accounts for them.
Since readjustments are posted without tax, the accounts posted to cannot be relevant to tax.
Adjustment accounts are determined when calculating the distribution.
For more information on automatic postings, see the Implementation Guide.
Output
The log shows how many documents per company code the system calculated distributions for.
Note:
If valuation differences are noted in documents, the system always includes them in the calculation. When updating the allocation tables, it checks for whether or not calculations already exist for these documents.
If account determination is incomplete or maintained incorrectly, the system does not calculate any distributions for the affected documents. It lists both the queried entries and the affected documents.
To view the readjustment calculated for an individual document in Document Display, choose Environment -> B/S readjustment.
Additional Information
See the documentation for the other subfunctions:
Posting the distribution.
Displaying the logs of existing posting runs.
Reversing an incorrect posting run.
Redetermining the adjustment accounts if you changed the account determination or it was incomplete at the time of calculation.
Setting up balance sheet readjustment if you have already been productive with a release prior to 3.0.
Dependent functions
Readjustment must be carried out prior to creating a business area balance sheet.
Profit Center Accounting also requires the results of readjustments.

Derivation rule in COPA from BSEG

Hi experts,
My issue is to derivate a field (SEGMENT) from Table BSEG in COPA.
Unfortunatly my customer donu2019t use the standard customizing from the SEGMENT derivation rule, we donu2019t populate the field SEGMENT in the profit center master data.
Firstly, with a user exit (U903 - ZRGGBS000) which is trigger with substitution rule we populated the field SEGMENT in BSEG.
Now I created a new characteristic WWSEG and I canu2019t derive it in KEDR with table look up, can I have your advices please?
With an abaper, we tried to find a solution with the COPA0005 exit but he donu2019t find the logic to map the source field BSEG-SEGMENT and the target field COPA-WWSEG
Thanks
Kinds regards
Cédric

Hi Waman,
Thanks a lot for all and thanks to Dave.
But it doesn't work.
The segment in bseg-segment is filled when posting a FI document.
For reminder, the field BSEG-SEGMENT is firstly filled with a user exit.
We implemented the note 1135567, we created the program ZRFI_OSS_KEAK_SEGMENT adapting the code to our characteristic WWSEG, when we tested, in debug we drop in the Abap code but the structure COBL-SEGMENT is not filled, therefore the WWSEG is not filled.
Have you other idea to solve my issue ?
Best regards
Cédric

Derivation Rule In FM

Hello Sappers
Can any body explain derivation rule in FM and what are the steps involved.Actually i want to understand what is meant by deriving fund center and commitment item.
Thanks.

You may find the information below somewhat helpful as we have about 13 FM derivation rules in our system that we use to minimize data entry and prevent user keying errors.
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp2004/helpdata/en/77/05f06a9b6711d496d90000e835339d/frameset.htm

Profit centre derivation rule to derive profit centre based in Business plc

Hi,
We required "profit centre derivation rule to derive profit centre based in Business place + 9000 in such case were vendor & customers are involved and current profit center derivation logic doesnu2019t work."
For this we have mapped a substitution pertaining to all co. codes based on all the relevant posting keys for Vendor and Customer where in system will replace the profit center based on business place given in line item as Business Place + 9000. For happening this we have written a User Exit and attached the same with this substitution through t.code OBBH. Entire hting we mapped in our testing client.
But now the problem is whatever posting keys we have defined in our substitution are being used in normal payment and clearing also.
Eg : In payment document vendor is debited vide posting key No 25. where the profit centre is derived based on the invoice that gets selected.
In Normal Payment and clearing transactions, the profit centre is derived based on the profit center in offsetting line items (as per New GL Logic) currently.
Now our business requires that where ever the system is unable to derive a profit centre for vendor and customer (And giving the error " Balancing field profit center in line item 001 not filled") transactions, then at that time profit center for that line item should replace with logic Business Place + 9000 (here business place is the business place contained by that line item in which error is coming for profit center.).
How to map the same in the system through substitution / exit or any other method? Awaiting for your inputs pls. Thanks in advance.
Tapan

Still not answered.
Requesting to give some clue for the same.
Thanks & Regards,
Tapan

Automatic Business Area Derivation Rule for Vendor Line Item in MIRO

Hello Experts,
We trying to use Business Area concept for our client.
I have completed all configuration setting for the business are derivation like
1. Creation of Business Area
2. Assign Business area to Plant / Division (OMJ7)
3. Business area determination from sales area (TVTA)
4. Business Area by Sales Area
5. Checked Field Status Group for Customer and Vendor Reconciliation Account
It is working for for compelete sales process and in Procurement cylce it is picking business for MIGO transaction both the line items.
But
In MIRO (Purchase invoice posting) it is automatically taking Business area to the GR/IR line item and it not taking Business area for the vendor line item (automatically)
I comes know that there is a business area derivation rule for this to happen automatically.
Can you please propose the soulution for the automatic derivation of business in MIRO for vendor line item.
Regards,
Chalapathi

Hi,
I do mot think there is a BA derivation rule for MIRO.
The best you can do is:
1. Use a user exit or enhancement point for deriving the BA from the GR/IR line and populate that in the vendor line
or
2. You make BA as a mandatory field in the field status group for the vendor reconciliation account. This will then force the user update the BA. We use this option. This is so because at times, the vendor item may need a different business area than the GR/IR line.
Cheers.

Function module for to Create fund/Grant management Derivation rules

Hi All,
Is there any function module for to create a derivation rules for fund/Grant management.
Thanks in Advance.
Nara.

Hi,
Please try with FM KED0_CREATE_DERIVATION_TABLE
Please let me know if you have some issues,
Regards,
Lijo Joseph
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