Desktop Monitor for Web Color Grading

First question is simple: I'm in need of new desktop monitors. Looking towards the Dell Ultrasharps, which have been a favorite in the past, specifically the U2412M. Any other suggestions?
Second question, more difficult: I do a fair amount of color work with DaVinci Resolve. None of it for broadcast. By this logic, I feel like I can get away with a solid desktop monitor rather than a Dreamcolor, FSI or something pricier. If this is the case, any input on whether the Ultrasharps are a better or worse choice than anything else?
And third question: Resolve doesn't output to a second monitor without a Decklink. I guess this means I would need the Decklink Studio, or buy an SDI/HDMI converter to get to the desktop monitor? Seems like overkill, but the only option?
Thanks much!

Thanks, Shane.
2 - A computer monitor is never good for color grading. Different colorspace than TVs or broadcast monitors.
That's sort of the idea-- almost all my work is for the web, and therefore I feel like a good computer monitor is actually (albeit counter-intuitively) a good fit.
Besides that, I'd love to kill two birds with one stone and have an extended desktop when I'm not grading.
Faulty logic?

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I'm getting a color shift only on small images (150x150px or smaller) when I save for web in Photoshop CC and CS6. That's very weird as it doesn't happen to images larger than 150x150px! That issue happens with images with different measurements as well (e.g. rectangle), the small looks dull and the larger display the right color.
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I've just started using PS CS5 on a new iMac, and I'm having some problems with save for web colors. If I save an image (for example a shape with a solid color) then add it to a site I'm making then test in Safari, then take a screenshot with Grab, then open again in Photoshop, test the screenshot color with the eyedropper, the color value is slightly different to the original Photoshop file.
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- What should the proof setup be set to?
- What color profile should my documents be set to?
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Can I use my new Panasonic HD TV model TH-42PX80U as a NTSC monitor for secondary color correction using both Final Cut Pro out of a Macbook Pro intel?
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SFW (CS3) isn't functioning correctly, or perhaps I'm missing a pref or configuration.
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My display is a Dell U2410. It has several presets, including sRGB and Adobe RGB. I've been using sRGB.
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