Destructive editing problems.

Why have apple made imovie a destructive editing programe? As far as i can tell, the only way to safely edit your movies (without editing the source material) is to copy and paste the movie into your timeline, which chews up hard drive space. What's more... there's no way to add length to a clip (as in the opposite of trimming a clip); if you make a clip too short and save your movie, thats it, it's short for good unless you delete it and start working on that clip again.
If you are trying to edit clips precisely to music, then you really need the functionality of being able to trim and lengthen clips, but imovie makes this even more frustrating because the scrub function doesn't work properly (it lowers the pitch and the play head drags a way behind your mouse) so just when you need to hear when the exact peak of a sound is (so you can put in a perfectly timed transition) all you get is low distorted noise that you can't make out.
So you're left to try trimming tiny bits off the clip until it's exactly right on time... and make sure you don't take too much off... or you'll have to repaste the whole clip and start again!
I know finaly cut has all this awsomeness (for a price that i currently can't afford being a student) but it would be great if imovie could add something like non destructive editing because it's so much more functional. I'm not trying to say that imovie *** or anything... I think it's great to have an easy to use video editor that keeps it simple... but please please Apple make imovie a non destructive editing programme.
Does anyone have any suggestions or workarounds to these problems i've mentioned above? Or does anyone know if there are any plans to add a little more functionality to imovie?
-thanks for putting up with my complaining - Ben.
using imovie 5.0.2
imac G5 Mac OS X (10.4.7)

Why have apple made imovie a destructive editing programe?
You are incorrect. Beginning with iMovie 5, the iMovie application uses NONdestructive editing, similar to Final Cut. If you find you have trimmed too much of a clip, you can easily move the playhead to the edge of the clip in the timeline where it will change to an arrowlike icon and you can drag that to either lengthen or shorten the clip. If you have split the clip and deleted the portion you wish to have now, you can click on the remaining clip, go to Advanced and choose 'restore original' and get the entire clip back.
Regarding your difficulty with timing to music, iMovie does have problems with audio and video skipping and stuttering. There is a huge discussion on this topic, with 28 pages of work-arounds written by Karl Peterson. Have a look at this and see if one of his recommended methods will help you.
Find that here: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=534252
Don't worry about complaining a bit.....working with iMovie can be frustrating. That's why these discussions exist

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Hi Brian:
I read the manual to see the difference between destructive and non-destructive editing in STP ...
What is STP?
This forum refers to DVD Studio Pro, the app to author DVDs.
FCP (Final Cut Pro is a non-destructive video edition software.
As far as I know iMovie (Apple entry level video edition software) is a destructive editing tool . . . no matter you can use some tricks to avoid source "destruction" (... I have not used it from some time ago).
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Feature Request: Destructive editing with AUs in Sample Editor

I would like to be able to apply edits destructively in the sample edit window with Audio Units like we could in Logic on MacOS9 (which used AudioSuite plugins). This is an ongoing request, year after year, among veteran Logic users. In every update it is ignored. The feature requires no redesign of the sample edit window, just another menu sub item droplist. While the bounce in place feature is a welcome addition, it is not a replacement for this feature that was removed in the migration to MacOSX and has been sorely missed ever since.
Here's just one recent sentiment from a user on the NYC Logic Users Group:
"I recently changed over to Logic from Pro Tools and I really miss this feature! For handling plosives and de-essing small fragments."
I also know a very prominent producer who boycotted Logic 8 and 9 for this reason alone. While I would never do that (since I happen to love all the new features and feel comfortable with the workflow of Logic 9), I sympathize with this person's frustration over the lack of this feature. I find myself constantly in the position of wishing I had destructive editing back in my Logic tool belt.

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Do you have the latest updates for photoshop cs6?
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Go to System Preferences ---> Dictation and Speech -----> select OFF radio button .

Bypassing the non destructive editing for emptying trash

Hey.
I am completey at my wits end over this. I have footage imported to three separate imovie projects. I have to try and combine these on the one timeline. However everytime I try to move anything it tells me I don't have enough memory. Fair enough so I empty the trash but it is restoring no memory to my hard drive or iMovie - From looking this up it seems to be because of the non detructive editing feature but I don't want to go back on any cuts or keep anything I've deleted just in case. I really need the space so I can begin to move clips around again and finish the project. Is there anyway of telling the programme to just empty the trash and ignore the non destructive editing feature?

Then I open a new blank iMovie project. I drag the desired clips to that project and save.
That, too, preserves the total lengths of the underlying media clips.
iMovie 5-6 dropped the ability to trim unwanted parts of the media clips. iMovie 1-4 allowed the user to do this at the expense of a more fragile project structure.
The workaround to trim the media clips is to:
1. export to tape and import back. Pros: preserves separate clips. Cons: clumsy & slow. Occasional dropped frames may make the process lossy.
2. export to Full Quality .dv and import back. Pros: No dropped frames -- truly non-lossy. Faster. Cons: clumsy, you have to manually break clips into scenes after import.
Cons for 1&2: effects are permanently burned into the image.
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http://www.sjoki.uta.fi/~shmhav/iMovieHD_6_bugs.html#quick_DVimport

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It is the way Apple has chose to deal with external editor edits.... as I have wrote below in various other threads so no one else has to talk to someone for over two hours on the same thing....
Okay.... so after being on the phone with an Apple senior developer for 2 hrs and 29 minutes, the duplicating of originals has been completely intentional.
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I recently made the switch from editing in Adobe Camera Raw to Lightroom and am disliking some of the workflow. I really enjoyed how in ACR the edits to my photos would save as soon as I hit done. There are many times were I need to close out of my of editing software quickly and don't have time to export everything out of light room. So as the question states, how do I make Lightroom save the changes I make to photos instantaneously without having to export them?
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I assume you are using XMP files with Camera Raw. You can do that with Lightroom if you choose the option to write changes to XMP sidecar files in your Lightroom preferences. But if you use a Lightroom with its default setup the adjustments you make are stored immediately in the catalog. You can stop and close Lightroom at any point, and when you return Lightroom will retrieve from the catalog all the adjustments you have made to whatever image you have highlighted in the develop module, or in the library module as far as that goes. I have chosen not to use XMP sidecar files, and rely on my catalog to store all of my Lightroom adjustments. Again, making an adjustment in Lightroom creates a history step in the catalog immediately. There's no need to export in order to keep all of your adjustments.
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Just a thought, but if you don't yet have a section of the file selected first, the function list will be grayed out.

Destructive editing

this sort of goes along with my other thread. but im wondering if theres a reason why logic does not offer destructive editing. i know some use the freeze feature for this. but it doesnt auto replace an audio region liek when you use audio suite plug ins in pro tools. so whats the reason logic has never offered this feature in the waveform editor?

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doing this, there is no need to search in a long list of audio suite plugIns every time you change it - like you have to in protools!
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No destructive editing using installed plug-ins in the sample editor.

It is a shame that it looks like there still is no destructive editing using installed plug-ins in the sample editor. Seems very obvious to me that this feature should be included in Logic. Very disappointing. I’m assuming that you will be able to do this via Soundtrack Pro, but that’s just another layer added to the work flow.

fermusic wrote:
in any case there are no reason to use Soundtrack pro for make a destructive editing with AU plugins.
While everything you say is absolutely correct, in terms of being able to do this within Logic itself, there are times when using Soundtrack Pro does make more sense for destructive printing of AU FX's.
High pass filtering a vocal track with a lot of plosives comes to mind. It's easier to destructively apply the AU high pass filter on just the plosive syllable, or waveform in STP, than in Logic.
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I'd personally love to see Logic adapt some of STP's destructive capabilities, and I'd actually be surprised if we didn't see that at some point in it's evolution.
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Like some others I hoped, a function "destructive editing" (applying plugins to audio files) was applied in LP8, but it still isn't.
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Yes, but if you are completely new to Soundtrack Pro 2, it is hard to find out, how to apply a plugin DESTRUCTIVELY!!!! and quickly to the audio file represented by the region in Logic - with a single click - without copying or re-importing to Logic.
Is anyone experienced? (might be a "Protools-killer"
thanks in advance and cheers!
david

I've done it by accident, but it is possible to do destructive edits in STP2. Perhaps, I can retrace my steps and see if I can do it purposefully.
jord

Launch and edit problem from Dreamweaver to Fireworks

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Non destructive editing

Can any of you go into detail all the premise of non destruction editing in
LR? I mean, in the term in which LR goes about edit file. Does this mean
that the original file can 'never' be affected, changed, etc...? How does
one make sure of this?
I do ensure that I have backups, but I felt that I didn't quite understand
'enough' on Adobe's approach to this.
Any other detail in this matter is much appreciated! Look forward to what
some of you have to say on this! Thanks much!

thanks for the info! <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected].. > You seem to have a "lot" of very basic questions. So, you might be best > spending some time reading the material already provided on the subject > rather than asking other users to do the work for you. See the first > article on the linked page > <a href=http://www.adobe.com/digitalimag/ps_pro_primers.html> > > You should find that some of the other articles address questions you've > already asked, etc

Destructive editting workflow suggestions, please.

Like many, am converting dozens of VHS to digital, but would like to intensely edit them down. Would like to do the final editing with FCE, but its non-destructive editing will clog my HD's with hours of useless footage.
Which app/apps do I use to import from VHS, edit destructively, then export keepers to FCE for final production? I've got the horsepower and would like the final quality to be as good as possible.
Much obliged.

The choice is actually a compromise between your time and how much hard drive space you can afford. And I think you're doubling your work or more if you capture in some other app first if you really intend to use FCE for editing. Personally, I think hard drive space is a lot cheaper than my time.
To import VHS you will need an analog-digital converter (another subject if you need help there). The converters are non-controllable devices which means you have to capture using Capture Now. While you could conceivably jog your tapes back & forth enough to capture individual clips (theoretically saving hard drive space) you will spend an enormous amount of time capturing clip by clip.
It is much much faster, and easier, to capture the entire tape at once (or, say, half a tape ... 60 mins at at time) and then in FCE pick & choose which segments you actually want. Then, if you really want to, you can export your selected clips to QT Movie 1 by 1 (as self-contained QT movies) thereby giving yourself individual clip files of only the material you really want to keep.
There are other apps like Foottrack and iDive that will enable you to capture video but you face the same time issues as you would capturing with FCE or iMovie.

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If changes to .jpg's are non-destructive in LR, how can you migrate the changes /w images to another copy of LR on another computer? I've noticed Exporting .jpg's export the changed .jpg's, which must mean that they undergo another round of compression in the copy, no?

I want to straighten up some issues with jpeg files in LR 1.0
1. By importing a jpeg file into LR you will notice that you can use the develop module but certain features are just not as good as they are with real raw files.
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3. You need to use an application which is able to interpret LR adjustments to see changes of the jpeg file you made in the LR develop module. In the moment only LR and Photoshop CS3 beta (using ACR 4.0 ) are able to do that. For all other applications which can display jpeg files the changes are not visible because the pixel information didn't change.
4. If you use the LR Export function in the Library Module you can render a new jpeg file where the changes are reflected in the pixel section of the file. This is of course no longer non-destructive because the original compressed pixel information in the original jpeg file has been decompressed, changed according to the develop settings and then recompressed again in the jpeg format. This is just what you did all the years before with jpeg files.
5. You can also use the LR Export function to export a jpeg file as DNG file. Here it is important to understand that the JPEG file will only be compressed with a lossless algorithm resulting in a file which is roughly 5 times the size of your original file depending on your initial jpeg quality settings. This option allows you to open the file in Bridge/Photoshop CS2 and to see the adjustments there but it does not give you any real advantage compared to 2. if you use CS3 and I don't recommend it in the moment. Perhaps we see here more options in the future.

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