Develop & library module discrepancy (Lr 4.1)

I have read about similar issues floating about with previous versions of Lr, and I have now experienced it in 4.1. When moving between the develop and library modules of images with settings applied (noise reduction, lens correction profiles, etc.), the images change in color, noise reduction, highlights, contrast, etc. This occurs at both the "fit" and "fill" views and at all preview quality settings. At 1:1, the images are identical. However – and this is the bit that is most worrying – the .jpg export retains the settings, or lack thereof, in the library module. I have uninstalled Lr (using AppZapper) and reinstalled it, created a new catalog and re-edited the photos from RAW – all to no avail.
Here are some screen captures:
Develop module:
Library module:
Note specifically the stars – Ursa Major to the upper left of the fence post. The final export retains the characteristics of the library module, which annoys me, greatly. Any help?

First of all - for judging sharpness you need to look at 1:1, not screen size.
In Develop you're looking at the file itself (so that will always be the most accurate), while in Library you're looking at rendered jpeg previews. You probably already know this. But you could try to delete the Previews folder - the one that sits next to the .lrcat - and let Lightroom rebuild them.
What are your Catalog settings for Previews?
You should set a pixel size that is equal or bigger than the display. Here it's set for 2048 because the monitor is 1920 x 1200. This affects screen size previews - 1:1 previews will be generated in any case.

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