Did I just ruin my Battery?
So I just did the initial conditioning for my battery. I let it charge, kept it fully charged for about 3 hours and then let it drain . . . . .here is my problem, I left my usb cooling pad plugged in. When it went to sleep the pad kept going and drained it to 0!! It was at empty for several hours. Now fully charged I am only showing about 3:45 on the battery clock. I don't recall my last Macbooks numbers exactly, but in this situation (wifi on, word on and safari) I could have sworn it was more like 4:45.
Can you totally ruin a battery beyond repair by letting it go to zero on the first charge and then leaving it that way for a few hours?
Kalel
Kalel, these batteries take a few days to settle down, so don't take too much notice of the indicated charge life for a while. Its likely that the 4 hours+ time you first saw was inaccurate itself, too. These things change so much depending on what you are doing with the computer that they can never be accurately relaied.
With these batteries the "ruining by running dead flat" thing is an all or nothing situation. They contain circuitry that is designed to prevent a defective battery from doing damage to your charging system etc. This prevents charging altogether. The fact that your battery is still chargable indicates that this circuitary did not get tripped. Your battery will be fine.
Don't unnecessarily run the battery down more than you would in normal use. Lithium batteries have a finite number of charge cycles. There is no need to calibrate them al that often once you have done it once. Every couple of months thereafter is more than enough.
Don't worry. Enjoy your MacBook.
Cheers
Rod
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if i keep my computer plugged in all day will that ruin the battery???
Absolutely yes, it will ruin it.
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http://www.apple.com/batteries/notebooks.html
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While cycle count is commonly seen to be the “miles” on your Lithium Ion pack cell in your Macbook, which they are, this distinction is not a fine line at all, and it is a big misconception to “count charge cycles”
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From Apple on batteries:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1446
http://www.apple.com/batteries/
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dke21 wrote:
> Did Flash just get cr*ppier? What the h*ll is going on??
Now that we export
> our swf, we have to make sure that we f'in mask out the
working area? What
> genius came up with that bulls**t?? Also, when we put
actions on buttons we
> have to go thru a lot more sh*t with typing up all the
scripts?? not to mention
> they are a hell of lot more bugs!!! c'mon Macromedia,
some of us have time
> constraint with real deadllnes, so why all the
innefficiencies and added
> frustrations?? You guys are suppose to make it better
with each version, not
> f*cking make it sh*ttier..get your head outta your
a$$es. FLASH MX 2004 IS A
> F'in RIP-OFF!!
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