Difference between Buness area vs Profit center accounting

Hi
What is the difference between the business area and profit center
1. Insted of Business area why can we use profit center accounting ?
2. diffenrence between the assessment cycle and Distribution ?
Thanks

Both are used for internal treporting purpose.
but profit center have some advantages over business areas.
advs;
. Profit Centers will be used instead of Business Areas to generate Profit & Loss statements and Balance Sheets for each location. Profit Centers has the following advantages over Business Areas;
.           It is very flexible in nature and can be created / activated any time as it is Master Data.
.           Profit Centers does not need adjustments/activities in the month-end due to Document Splitting functionality.
.           Profit Center has its own Ledger/ SAP Tables in the background
.           It can be grouped at higher level and one group can have any number of Profit Centers in it
.           Assessment and Distribution of Costs between Profit Centers can be done.
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Difference between Business area and profit center accounting

Hi Frnds,
Can any body explain about difference between business area and profit center accounting .

Hi
Business area will have many profit centers. For example Vehicle is a business area in a company. Vehicle can be cars and Bikes etc. Here Vehicle is business area and Cars and Bike are profit centers. In broad Vehicle is a profit center. But as it has sub areas those are profit centers. So profit centers cannot be replaced with business area and vice versa. We can replace business area by Profit centre, only condition is that it should be in same controlling area. The business area is more like a business unit of a company. You can have multiple profit centers within a business area.
Main distinguish factor is that distribution and assessment in possible in profit center but not in business area.
One more distinction is that Business area need not be attached to any organisation structure. But profit centres can be created only under the controlling area. Business area can be across controlling area.
Business area concept is used for making stragic decisions by the management whereas the primary purpose of profit centre accounting is responsibility accounting.
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Difference between business area and profit center

hi all
could you please tell me about difference between business area and
profitcenter.
thanks,
regards,
chennuri.

HI
Read below
Profit Center - The profit center view shows the various
internal areas of responsibilities. Objects such as cost
centers, materials, etc can be used for profit center
analysis. Profit center can be used to determine the
revenues, costs, and profitability for specfic areas of
responsibility.
Business Area - Business area forms an important part of
external reporting. Analysis of various segments, product
divisions, regions etc is possible using business areas.
Business Area: This is optional
This can be used cross compane codes
This is for Internal Purpose
It is not Legal Entity like Co Code
The transation entered in Business are, Debit total will
not tally with credit total
Since it is used for segment wise or area wise or line wise
this is used for internal report purpose only .
Balance Shhet and P & L stataments can be drawn on segment
wise
Profit Centre: Generally in terms of SAP or Finance the
meaning of Profit centre is to know the profitabilty.
In same manner , The managers wants to know the ROI from
their investments, obviously we nned to use the tool.
This ROI may be geographically or area wise or division
wise. P.C provided us profitablity of the particular area
for internal purpose ( Only for Internal )
Business Area is an optional entry.Whenever company wants
financial statements businessarea wise we can maintain
BAs.And also we can maintain BA as Segment Wise,Product
Wise,Geographical Location wise.
Profit center is used to know the profits of companies.PC
is also used for to know the profits as aProduct
wise,Segment wise,geographical location wise.If anything
wrong inthis answer plz correct me..
Hope this helps
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Hari

Table name having relationship between Business area and Profit Center

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Can you tell me the table name showing the relationship between Business area and Profit Center in fb60 transaction.
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Using Business Area and Profit Center Accounting with New GL functionality

Hello,
We are Public Sector and using ECC 6.0, we have been using Business Area with Fund Management. We also use Special Purpose Ledger with Document splitting. Before migrating to New GL functionality, we want to understand
-     The possibility of using both Business Area and Profit Center Accounting, and the impact on the system
-     If we activate Profit Center Accounting before migration, how will it work with the splitting process?
-     If we migrate without Profit Center Accounting, will this cause the activation of Profit center accounting later to be more complicated, even if we migrate again?
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Hi Sachin,
Thank you for the reply, we want to know that
-     The possibility of using both Business Area and Profit Center Accounting, and the impact on the system
If we decide using Profit Center Accounting with Business Area with New GL functionality how we should do it
-     should we activate classical Profit Center Accounting before migrating to New GL functionality, if we do this how will it work with the splitting process?
-     If we migrate to New GL functionality without Profit Center Accounting, will this cause the activation of Profit center accounting later to be more complicated, even if we migrate again?
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Controlling are currency / Profit Center accounting currency - Approach

Dear All Expsrts,
I am configuring CO Area where one company code is equal to one controlling area.
1 ) So what sould be be currency ideally ? 10 or 30 ? Company code currency or Group Currency ?
2 ) Same way in 0KE5 ( Profit Center Account - Controlling area settings ) which should be currency type - As I think if CoCd and Co Area is one to one relationship it should be 10 always. - Please correct me if I am wrong.
3 ) 0KE5 is it mandatory to keep valuation view as a profit center valuation or Legal Valuation ? What is difference between both and in which cases we can use each?
Expert guidance will be helpful on this.
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Revati Joshi.
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Dear Revati Joshi
In the legal view goods movements are posted between profit centers at the sales price which was agreed between internal trading partners who produce a balance sheet/profit and loss statement independently.
In the profit center view goods movements are posted between profit centers at negotiated transfer prices which are used for internal profit determination and corporate management.
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Change Business Area to Profit Center Accounting

Hi Gurus,
Here we want to elminate business area and migrate to profit center accounting, could anybody highlight what are the important steps for the changes.
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IU Elimination Difference Subassignments (Business Area and Profit Center)

Hi experts, it's my second tread in the forum and is in one day, I'm expired.
 
 
Let's clarify the situation.
 
 
At the past I'm using the parameters settings of IU Eliminination Difference Subassigments with fixed values, now, with our necessity, we question SAP how to do a interunit elimination receiving the business area and Cons. Profit. Center from the trigger at the differences, and it apparently was simple solve, we just need to mark the "default value" flag and voila, system will do what we need, but is not so simple how we think.
 
 
In productive environment, we have data since June/2009, and we want to change this from Jan/2010, but elimination is cumulated, and I suspect SEM-BCS is trying to correct the past.
 
 
Does anybody pass this situation ?
 
 
What we need is on every elimination on selection items and the difference items receive the business area and cons. profit center from the trigger (this have to remain with the origins), and the total value of elimination on period don't have to change, do you understand ?
 
 
When change the configuration of the task and execute that, the eliminaton value change too ? We suspect it is
because we have data before this period.
 
 
If you need more explanation, please advice me, I will give more details.
 
 
Here we are in SEM-BCS 600 EHP 2
 
 
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The breakdown category and the corresponding data is the same in the source system. I think I did`t express very well.
I will put my understand about the default flag of the difference screen: This is used to try to get the subassignments from the items which we select on the preview screen not the fixed parameters. i.e.: Business Area.
On January, we decided to get the subassignments on difference from the items on selection screen, for this we flag the default value, and re-execute the elimination on the monitor, but, when we execute this, the value is entirely wrong/different from the other, we suppose when we flag that and re-execute the elimination we get more line of elimination on total records with the business area, but that's not what happened, we have strange value with a total of elimination very different.
Is it clear the operation ?
I contact SAP and they are analyzing the case, but if anyone had a similar problem please advice me.
Best Regards
Alexandre Mendoza Collepicolo

Difference between Business Area & Profit Center Accounting

Can anybody help me out by explaining the difference between Business area and profit center? Because both the concepts are used to define a product line / function in a business,so why they are different?
Also let me know why business area concept is replaced by profit center?
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Sagar

hi
PCA:
Created per Controlling Area & Company Code [System validation at Company Code Level]
Data:Manual Entry
Derivation by referred cost object
Derivation from offsetting item based on the above mentioned rule
Periodic processing:Monthly period closing program to be executed
Distribution / Assessment possible [PCA Documents are created which can be verified by the auditor]
Report showing individual and all PCA totals to match Company Code Values GL Account wise can be created
other:Consolidation at PCA level
Multiple Valuation possible for PCA at
FI Level
Consolidation Level
Material Ledger concept for PCA for parallel valuation of materials
Business area:Independent Dimension
[Can be used across company codes u2013 Manual validation required to ensure Company Code-Business Area parity]
Data: Manual Entry
Derivation from Organization structure
Derivation by referred cost object
Derivation from offsetting item based on the above mentioned rule
Periodic processing:Monthly period closing program to be executed
Distribution / Assessment NOT possible
Report showing individual and all PCA totals to match Company Code Values GL Account wise available
Others:Consolidation at BA level
Multiple Valuation not possible at BA level
Material ledger concept NOT extended to Business Area
Further development for Business Area discontinued [Note 321190]
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Business area and profit center

plz can anyone explain me what is the diffrence between business area and profit center.

Business Area is a type of organizational unit structure, primarily used to facilitate external segment reporting across company codes, covering the company's main areas of operation. Business Areas run across company codes. The relationship is n:n. Business Area is part of FI.
Profit Center is also a type of organization unit structure, used for management/ internal controlling purposes. Dividing the company up into profit centers allows one to analyze areas of responsibility and to delegate responsibility to decentralized units, thus treating them as companies within the company. The profit centers also run across company codes. The relationship is n:n. Profit Center Accounting is part of Enterprise Controlling.
While it may look apprantly that both Business Area and Profit Center do the same kind of analysis and reporting, with in SAP internal architecture they are kept in different modules and different tables.
SAP Note 321190 provides the difference betwen Business Area and Profit Center, which you can get from SAP Service Market place.
SAP has maintained Business Area from 4.6B onwards, while there are enhancements happening in Profit Center side.

Difference between business area and costcenter

Hi All,
Could u pls let me know the differences between Business Area and Cost Center.
Awaiting ur valuable responses.
Thanks & Regards
Chennuri

Hi,
i am giving a realtime information on business areas and cost centers.
For our company we have 25 branches. in sap we treat all of our branches as a seperate business area. the reason why we maintain business area. at the month end or year end financial statemensts are generated on company code basis and business area base. so we consider branches as a business area.
Cost center is like a cost object.
Hope this is clear,
Regards,
Sankar

Difference between business area balance sheet and profit centre accounting

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I want to know what are the differences between business area balance sheet and profit centre accounting.
Please tell the merits and demerits of both.
If, I want to get plant-wise profitability of a company then which method is more recommendable and why?
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WBS, Business Area and Profit Center not flowing in GR/IR Account

Hello Experts,
I have come across a very strange situation. I have two MIGO documents which are showing different posting characteristics:
1) FI Document 5000000553
In this document, the Business area and profit center is flowing in GR/IR Clearing Account (15660000) but WBS element is not flowing to this line item.
Screen shot is as follows:-
As you can see from the above screen shot that, for GR/IR Account 15660000. Only Business Area and Profit Center are flowing and WBS Element is not coming.
2. FI Document 5000015602
In this document, the WBS element is going in GR/IR Clearing Account (15660000) but Business area and profit center is not flowing to this line item
Screen Shot is as follows:-
From the above screen shot, Business Area and Profit Center are not flowing but WBS Element is coming.
Could you please let me know what could be the possible reason for this behavior of both the documents.?
Regards,
Amit

Hi Saurabh,
Its great to see your reply. Yes, I know that currencies and posting dates are different. But that's the way it is. One document is for fiscal year 2014 and other is for 2013. There is nothing related to currency and posting date which was causing the strange behavior of the system.
However, our team analyzed the issue and found that only for service material having a special valuation type related to services is causing the problem and still we are diagnosing the other possible root cause as well.
Thanks for your co-operation and suggestion.
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Amit

Business Area vs. Profit Center Accounting

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I have a doubt regarding this issue.
Our customer is a holding composed by 3 legal entities, each one with its own Balance Sheet. The company produces in such a way that they need to plan production and purchases globally (for the 3 legal entities).
I searched how to deal with this, and if a create 3 different company codes it is really difficult to plan production and purchases for the 3 company codes globally. The most suitable solution would be to use STO process (stock transfer orders), but the purchases would be done by only one company code and this is not what the customer wants because only this company code would have tax credits.
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Regards,
Florencia.

hi,
if u r setting as a business area,still u need to follow the reporting procedures to the local authorities, such as banks,tax,etc. but,if u do it as a profit center,it will come under ur internal entity (controlling), and for the local authorities,ur holding entity will take care of reporting,etc.
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No documents of Profit-Center Accounting are generated for prof/ctr valuat

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We have activated multiple valuation: Legal, Group, Profit Center.
We have activated Profit Center Accounting too.
Now we have performed sale of material from one Company code to another.
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What customizing is missing?
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