Difference Between IDOC Message Type PORDCH & ORDCHG

Hi
Could anybody clarify me difference between Idoc types PORDCH & ORDCHG.
For PO Change (Can be adding new line item, deleting existing line item, Change existing line item )
which IDOC is suggested.
Can i use ORDCHG Idoc for this purpose, But i find many fields are not exist in this segment.
Pl clarify.
Rams.

Use ORDCHG message type with basic type ORDERS03

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Hi Ram,
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