Difference: Full load, Delta Load & INIT load in BW
Hi Experts,
I am new to SAP BW Data warehousing.
What is the difference between Full load, Delta Load & INIT load in BW.
Regards
Praveen
Hi Pravin,
Hope the below helps you...
Full update:
A full update requests all the data that corresponds with the selection criteria you have determined in the scheduler.
You can indicate that a request with full update mode is a full repair request using the scheduler menu. This request can be posted to every data target, even if the data target already contains data from an initialization run or delta for this DataSource/source system combination, and has overlapping selection conditions.
If you use the full repair request to reload the data into the DataStore object after you have selectively deleted data from the DataStore object, note that this can lead to inconsistencies in the data target. If the selections for the repair request do not correspond with the selections you made when selectively deleting data from the DataStore object, posting this request can lead to duplicated data records in the data target.
Initialization of the delta process
Initializing the delta process is a precondition for requesting the delta.
More than one initialization selection is possible for different, non-overlapping selection conditions to initialize the delta process when scheduling InfoPackages for data from an SAP system. This gives you the option of loading the data
relevant for the delta process to the Business Information Warehouse in steps.
For example, you could load the data for cost center 1000 to BI in one step and the data for cost center 2000 in another.
The delta requested after several initializations contains the upper amount of all the successful init selections as the selection criterion. After this, the selection condition for the delta can no longer be changed. In the example, data for cost
centers 1000 and 2000 were loaded to BI during a delta.
Delta update
A delta update requests only the data that has appeared since the last delta. Before you can request a delta update you first have to initialize the delta process. A delta update is only possible for loading from SAP source systems. If a delta update fails (status red in the monitor), or the overall status of the delta request was set to red manually, the next data request is carried out in repeat mode. With a repeat request, the data that was loaded incorrectly or incompletely in the failed delta request is extracted along with the data that has accrued from this point on. A repeat can only be requested in the dialog screen. If the data from the failed delta request has already been updated to data targets, delete the data from the data targets in question. If you do not delete the data from the data targets, this could lead to duplicated data records after the repeat request.
Repeat delta update
If the loading process fails, the delta for the DataSource is requested again.
Early delta initialization : This is a advanced concept, but just for your information ...
With early delta initialization you can already write the data to the delta queue or to the delta tables in the application while the initialization is requested in the source system. This enables you to initialize the delta process, in other
words, the init request, without having to stop posting the data in the source system. You can only carry out early delta initialization if this is supported by the extractor for the DataSource that is called in the source system with this data
request. Extractors that support early delta initialization were first supplied with.
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http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/80/1a65dce07211d2acb80000e829fbfe/content.htm
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