Difference in Camera Raw 7.2 and Lightroom 4.2
Camera Raw 7.2 seems to have introduced a colour management issue since the Adobe Standard camera profile is no longer present in Camera Raw 7.2, whereas it still appears in the Lightroom 4.2 version.
This means that raw files exports from Lightroom 4.2 to Photoshop CS6 as an external editor get converted from Adobe Standard (the Lightroom default) into one of the ACR presets in Camera raw resulting in a marked colour shift.
Since it does not appear possible to select the profile being used by Camera Raw on the fly when using Photoshop as an external editor from within Lightroom then this cannot be corrected.
The only solution seems to be to define a default profile such as Camera Standard v4 in Camera Raw and ensure that all images in Lightroom are assigned this profile when importing so that the colour remains consistent when editing in Photoshop.
The two dialogs are shown below.
This did not appear to be an issue in earlier versions of Camera Raw (at least, not on my old MBP with CS5 and LR3), so why has the Adobe Standard profile been removed and how can we select a different profile when using Photoshop CS6 as an external editor in Lightroom 4.2 in order to maintain colour consistency?
Did you perhaps delete or un-install anything related to Adobe lately? ACR and LR shuld be seeing the exact same set of DNG profiles unless things have been removed or moved. You could try downloading the most recent version of DNG Converter 7.2 and do an install. This should replace all DNG profiles current with ACR 7.2.
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IgorLightroom actually uses four color spaces:
http://forums.adobe.com/message/3415073
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http://forums.adobe.com/thread/358016?tstart=0
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A few minutes ago I calibrated my display again. Now, the difference between ACR and Photoshop seems to be even greater.
When the calibration was finished, the software offered a before/after-button (Before and after calibration). The "Before-image" was much more dark than the "after-image". Just as dark as the photo is in ACR(!).
Maybe there's a connection. I think Photoshop uses the right profile (the profile generated by the Spyder2Express), but ACR uses some different wrong profile.
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Chris Cox wrote:
Hmm, they should be the same.
How did you calibrate your display? Where did the display profile come from?
The profile called "Spyder2express.icm" was saved in C:\Windows\System32\spool\drivers\color -
Camera Raw 5.3 and Lightroom 2.3 Available on Adobe Labs
Lightroom 2.3 and Camera Raw 5.3 are now available as release candidates on Adobe Labs.
Lightroom 2.3, http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Lightroom_2.3
Camera Raw 5.3, http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Camera_Raw_5.3
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Is there a delay in providing automatic updates through Help>Updates, or could there be a problem with my copy of CS4 Extended?
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antithesis
opposition, or contrast of ideas or words in a parallel construction
Human life is everywhere a state in which much is to be endured, and little to be enjoyed. (Samuel Johnson)
Not that I loved Caesar less, but that I loved Rome more. (Shakespeare, Julius Caesar)
apostrophe
addressing an absent person, a god or a personified abstraction
Judge, O you gods, how dearly Caesar loved him. (Shakespeare, Julius Caesar)
euphemism
substitution of an agreeable or at least non-offensive expression for one whose plainer meaning might be harsh or unpleasant
[] one particular lady, whose lord is more than suspected of laying his umbrella on her as an instrument of correction, [...] (Dickens, Bleak House)
hyperbole
obvious exaggeration for emphasis or for rhetorical effect
[] he couldnt, however sanguine his disposition, hope to offer a remark that would be a greater outrage on human nature in general [] (Mrs Chicks response to her husbands suggestion that the starving baby should be fed with the teapot since there was no nurse. Dickens, Dombey and Son)
irony
expression of something which is contrary to the intended meaning; the words say one thing but mean another
Well! said Mrs Chick, with a sweet smile, after this, I forgive Fanny everything! It was a declaration in a Christian spirit, and Mrs Chick felt that it did her good. Not that she had anything particular to forgive in her sister-in-law, not indeed anything at all, except her having married her brother in itself a species of audacity and her having, in the course of events, given birth to a girl instead of a boy []. (Dickens, Dombey and Son)
In addition [...] you are liable to get tide-trapped away in the swamps, [...] Of course if you really want a truly safe investment in Fame, and really care about Posterity, and Posterity's Science, you will jump over into the black batter-like, stinking slime cheered by the thought of the terrific sensation you will produce in 20,000 years hence, and the care you will be taken of then by your fellow-creatures, in a museum (Mary Kingsley, Travels in West Africa)
metaphor
a figure of similarity, a word or phrase is replaced by an expression denoting an analogous circumstance in a different semantic field. The comparison adds a new dimension of meaning to the original expression. Unlike in simile, the comparison is not made explicit ( like or as are not used, see the longer discussion in Analysing a Metaphor)
The web of our life is of a mingled yarn, good and ill together.
(Shakespeare, All's Well that Ends Well)
That fence about my soul (MacNeice, London Rain)
metonymy
a figure of contiguity, one word is substituted for another on the basis of some material, causal, or conceptual relation
My Head and Heart thus flowing thro my Quill (Pope, Imitations of Horace)
(i.e. the thoughts produced in my head and the feelings of my heart are expressed in the things I write with my quill)
oxymoron
(Greek for sharp-dull) a self-contradictory combination of words or smaller verbal units; usually noun-noun, adjective-adjective, adjective-noun, adverb-adverb, or adverb-verb a paradoxical utterance that conjoins two terms that in ordinary usage are contraries
bittersweet, pleasing pains, loving hate, etc.
I will complain, yet praise;
I will bewail, approve;
And all my sour-sweet days
I will lament and love. (George Herbert, Bitter-Sweet)
paradox
a daring statement which unites seemingly contradictory words but which on closer examination proves to have unexpected meaning and truth
Snail-paced in a hurry (Christina Rossetti, Goblin Market)
Dark with excessive bright thy skirts appear. (Milton, Paradise Lost)
paronomasia / pun
wordplay, using words that are written similarly or identically, but have different meanings
[] he
Who lied in the chapel
Now lies in the Abbey. (Byron, Epitaph for William Pitt)
Holland [...] lies so low they're only saved by being dammed.
(Thomas Hood, Up the Rhine)
Some folk are wise, and some are otherwise.
(Smollett, Roderick Random)
I always say beauty is only sin deep.
(Saki, Reginald's Choir Treat)
pejorative
the use of words with disparaging connotations
[] the nurse, a simpering piece of faded gentility (Dickens, Dombey and Son)
periphrasis
a descriptive word or phrase is used instead of a proper name
finny race (for fish)
The Swan of Avon (for Shakespeare)
On one occasion [...] a mighty Silurian [...] chose to get his front paws over the stern of my canoe, and endeavoured to improve our aquaintance. I had to retire to the bows, to keep the balance right, and fetch him a clip on the snout with a paddle, when he withdrew [...] I should think that crocodile was eight feet long. (Mary Kingsley, Travels in West Africa)
[...] the Fans round Talagouga wouldn't go at any price above Njole, because they were certain they would be killed and eaten by the up-river Fans. Internally consigning the entire tribe to regions where they will get a rise in temperature, even in this climate, I went with Mme Forget to M. Gacon [...]. (Mary Kingsley, Travels in West Africa)
personification / prosopoeia
animals, ideas, abstractions or inanimate objects are endowed with human characteristics
And moody Madness laughing wild
Amid severest woe
(Gray, Ode on a Distant Prospect of Eton College)
On the brow of Dombey, Time and his brother Care had set some mark.
(Dickens, Dombey and Son)
simile
two things are openly compared with each other, introduced by like or as
My heart is like a singing bird. (Christina Rossetti, A Birthday)
Youth like summer morn, age like winter weather.
(Shakespeare, The Passionate Pilgrim)
synaesthesia
the description of one kind of sensation in terms of another (description of sound in terms of colour: blue note; description of colour in terms of sound: loud shirt; etc.)
The eye of man hath not heard, the ear of man hath
Not seen, mans hand is not able to taste, his tongue
To conceive, nor his heart to report, what my dream was.
(Shakespeare, Midsummer Nights Dream)
If music be the food of love, play on [] (Shakespeare, Twelfth Night)
synecdoche
A figure of contiguity (form of metonymy), the use of a part for the whole, or the whole for the part: pars pro toto or totum pro parte
I went into a public-ouse to get a pint obeer
The publican e up an sez, We serve no red-coats here. (Kipling, Tommy)
(instead of a soldier, who wears a red coat)
understatement (meiosis)
an idea is deliberately expressed as less important than it actually is; a special case of understatement is litotes, which denies the opposite of the thing that is being affirmed (sometimes used synonymously with meiosis)
Last week I saw a woman flayed, and you will hardly believe how much it altered her appearance for the worse. (Swift, Tale of a Tub)
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Difference between 'Camera Raw Defaults' option and Default button
I am using ACR 4.6 under CS3 in Windows.
If I open an image and click the Default button above the exposure sliders, all the tonal settings are reset to the defaults, but Clarity, Vibrance and Saturation are not altered.
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I was under the impression that the Default button and the 'Camera Raw Defaults' option did the same thing, but apparently not. What is the difference?The default button you are talking about only affects the sliders in the same group with the button.
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vincei appreciate your effort to help me. i meant to imply that i am sorry that i did not describe my problem better to demonstrate the situation.
thank you for your time,
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vince -
Why is there a difference in Camera Raw in PE Elements and regular Photoshop..? Camera Raw is Camera Raw
Yes, I see:
Letzte Aktualisierung
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The link I gave is listed in the faqs of this forum.
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Is codec 1.18 compatibile with Camera Raw 6.7 and Photoshop CS5.1?
I'm planning my purchase of a D7100, and would like to understand the software updates that would be required to process raw files in Photoshop. My current software is: Photoshop CS5.1, Camera Raw is 6.7, Codec 1.12, and Windows 7. The Adobe website indicates that I need to upgrade the codec to 1.18. I'm OK with that. But, will that codec work with the versions of camera raw and Photoshop that I currently have?
I'm pretty sure that's not required for adobe camera raw to work and yes i agree with your post 5, as the nikon d7100 camera raw files require camera raw 7.4 and
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supported cameras and required versions of camera raw:
http://helpx.adobe.com/creative-suite/kb/camera-raw-plug-supported-cameras.html
Or your could update to photoshop cs6 or try lightroom 4. -
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Hi,
when i update camera raw from 6.5 to 6.6 the preview can`t give me right preview after 1 adjustment in camera raw.Image apears like when we open it in camera raw and the first few seconds with the yellow exclamation mark.
Months ago the only solution i found after several reinstals of phoshop, was to turn back to camera raw 6.5.
Now im trying beta bridge cs6 and problem come back for me again.
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Arménio TeixeiraIstrasoft wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what was so awfully penalizing reponsiveness in ACR 6.0 ?
And, does Lightroom use the same internal 8bi plugin file to do the processing or do I have tu update Lightroom separately to get the responsiveness back ?
I don't know what they did, but I assume they rewrote some of the code which deals with some of the new process calculations and previewing, to be more processor-efficient.
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How do I stop camera raw adjusting contrast and brightness automatically when I open any image
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Short answer, learn how to use the tool...
As for the "auto" adjustments, are you sure that's what's happening or are the images changing based on the differences between what the camera preview and the Camera Raw preview look like? If you have indeed somehow turned on the "Auto" adjustment and saved that out as a Camera Raw default, you can go into the Camera Raw flyout menu and choose the option to Reset Camera Raw Defaults. If however you are talking about the inherent differences between the way your camera renders raw and the way Camera Raw renders it, that's an entirely different discussion...
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Camera Raw 5.2 and DNG Converter Available - Note from Adobe
Camera Raw 5.2 and the DNG Converter is now available:
http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2008/11/camera_raw_52_and_dng_converte.html
Lightroom will be updated to version 2.2 with equivalent camera support in December.
Regards,
Tom Hogarty
Lightroom, Camera Raw and DNG Product ManagerWell, I managed to locate and download both the ACR 5.2 and the DNG 5.2, but it was a bit of a challenge. I have a couple of comments regarding the DNG installation.
As a sometime OS beta tester, I have developed a habit of keeping C:\ for the operating system only. When a new OS or beta is issued, I just format C: and install the new OS. I try to keep applications off C:. It is hard, though, with all the default installations. It would be nice to have the option to install DNG.exe in my applications partition.
My workflow involves importing NEF's from the memory card to a folder, and at the same time converting those NEF's to DNG's and putting them in a different folder in a different partition. Both these NEF's and DNG's are archived. A copy of the DNG's are used as working images. The virtue of DNG's is that there are no sidecar files to keep track of when exporting images. Unless I really mess up, I never go back to the NEF's again. I guess that I am an "outlier" too. I guess that this is essentially the 5 - A "double DNG-only" workflow, using type 2, the native-DNG-DNG system. This is discussed in detail by Barry Pearson at http://www.barrypearson.co.uk/articles/dng/safety.htm#personal
I do like the camera profiles. I previously have used the Fors script. My Nikon D200 lacked red and the Fors script fixed that. Not surprisingly, different profiles are appropriate for different image types. Is there any way of determining the methodology and reasoning between the different profiles, and what specific problems each one is designed to correct. This might permit better matching profiles to image types, with less trial and error.
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