Different color issue in Windows Lightroom? Banding?

I can't tell if I'm running into the same color issue other users are seeing, or if I've got my own issue going.
I see what looks like color "banding" in Lightroom when I'm looking at the preview of a raw image. It happens most often in the shadows, where the fine gradations between shades are lost and the entire shadow area becomes one "blob" of the same color. (It looks like what happens when you look at in image in 8-bit display, after booting in Safe Mode.)
I see this effect for RAW files from a Canon D60 (.crw) and Canon 30D (.cr2). I have a dual display setup, with a 24" external monitor (a BenQ WP241Z) and a laptop display. I'm using the color profile for the 24" monitor I obtained from Adobe Gamma until I get access to a colorimeter. Under the Color Management tab in the control panel, it shows the correct profile associated with my monitor.
Opening the preview of the same image in Lightroom and Faststone on the 24" monitor shows a stark contrast -- I don't see the "banding" at all in Faststone. Instead, I see a gradual transition between shadow tones.
Any idea what I'm doing wrong? It seems odd for Lightroom to look so *ugly*.
Thanks!

Hi, I think you might be seeing the same thing I experienced with my night shots. I imported them with the "none" preset, which actually means using Lightroom default settings.
There was banding in the shadows, exactly as you describe, whereas Digital Photo Pro (canon's s/ware) showed it fine. I started playing around and found out the default setting of "Blacks" to "5" was the problem. Setting it to "0" took care of the banding. Hope that works for you.
If so, and if you do import a lot of pics which require "Blacks" at "0", a good way to do this is to set "Blacks" to "0" and save your own preset, for use with those pictures that you know will show banding.
Hope this helps,
Kai

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I am having the same problem as Michael... except I am calibrated (and no... I do NOT know the ins and outs of calibration... I do it b/c I am supposed to lol).
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I shoot Raw+ Fine jpegs (I like having both for backup purposes) and do all my work on the Raws. I shoot with a Nikon D80, D300, Fuji S5... and have the same problem with all 3 cameras.
My normal workflow is to do a general color correction for all files in LR; choose my 5-10 faves to "showcase" and edit them in CS2 to make them shine more. I always choose "edit copy with LR adjustments" and export them as 8 bit tiffs. After doing my edits I choose Ctrl+S (so it pops back into LR) and then do a fast web copy (from CS2) for my blog. The web copies ALWAYS look great! Now that they are back in LR I don't always notice a problem (or should I say I didn't pay enough attention to them at that point to realize if there was/wasn't an issue) b/c by that time, I was "done" until the ordering process. All that was left was to make the web gallery (via LR).
I vividly remember when I first realized there was a problem... both were sessions where I'd ended up editing almost EVERY picture in CS2 for various reasons. Again, I can't remember if there was a problem once back in LR... but if so, it wasn't very noticeable...
But once I had done a final "export"- EVERYTHING was AWFUL!! And they stayed that way!!! In fact, the more I think about it the more certain I am that they were FINE when they first showed back into LR... b/c I remember seeing everything change and being heartbroken when I couldn't "revert" to the original looking CS2 edits. and they looked even WORSE in LR than online etc.
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all I know is that they look absolutely awful!!! Please give me some guidance!
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Lightroom stopped running on Vista 32 windows error message says "Lightroom has stopped running windows is searching for a solution to the problem". At the same time Lightroom works fine on my laptop running Vista 32.

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Hello,
I've seen a few posts about color issues, and I've tried following the advice posted, and I'm still having a problem. My photos appear fine in PS and in Lightroom (as well in in Mac's previewer) but when I upload them to the web or view the saved file on another computer, they appear severely desaturated with a blue tone.
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I've found that if I change my proof setup to "monitor RGB" then I can see the photos the same way they appear when saved (the bad, desaturated version).
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The bottom line is that Lightroom & Photoshop CSx (meaning past CS or actually even back to 7) can and does make use of display profiles (you can't turn it off even if Photoshop has a setting that makes you think you can). An image in Lightroom and Photoshop is always color managed...outside of an app that is color management, all bets are off.
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If you want to skip the story, jump down to the last few lines of this entry for the summary.
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>I recently built a new computer, and when I copied my catalog over to the new drive and opened it, all my files as viewed in Lightroom had a distinctly "yellow" tinge, as compared to their exported JPEG brethren (as viewed in Windows Explorer thumbnail view). I realized, aha, I haven't set up color management on the new system yet, so this is to be expected. Lightroom internally uses a different color space than XP, so without some color management they won't match.
Since Windows Explorer is not managed, they will NEVER match, even if you use sRGB in your exported jpegs as you should. This is even true if you calibrate your monitor. You can only get a complete match when your monitor's primaries correspond precisely to sRGB, which basically never happens. In unmanaged apps, calibration only impacts the contrast (i.e. gamma and blackpoint) of the monitor. This is why the use of managed apps is so important.
>So I started experimenting. Removed all monitor profiles. No change. Switched back to the newer catalog. The colors changed. Put the monitor profile back. No change. Restart Lightroom. No change. Click load catalog, and then pick the same catalog I'm on. No change. Load the old catalog, the colors changed. After several rounds of experimentation, I am now sure of the veracity of this new discovery.
This is weird. Lightroom for me always picks up on a new monitor profile after a restart. I don't need to load a different catalog. Definitely not normal and unexpected behavior.
>How could a monitor profile do this? Monitor profiles effect the image as it's sent to the monitor, so how could LR even "know" what monitor profile is selected? This still isn't making sense to me.
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My system is calibrated, monitor and printer, and I get excellent results. I use Adobe RGB throughout. Color is set in Bridge Creative suite color setting. All proof colors are unchecked. The problem is that the files appear different and print different if different applications.
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Screenshot with multiple open programs.
Full size image: http://www.jonpall.com/CS4-color-comparison.jpg

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