Different ID3-Tags on iPod

My iPod shows different ID3-Tags than they are in iTunes.
For example I've got the genre "Reggae" in iTunes. On my iPod I have "reggae, regga and Raggae".
After entering one of the three different entrys I can see all the content that should be shown as "Raggae".
I selected all the items in iTunes and edited the declaration, but that didn't solve the problem.
iTunes shows everything like it should be (the content on hd, as well as the one on the iPod when I select this device in the iTunes-sidebar.
But navigating throug my iPod always shows the different categorys. How to avoid taht?
Tank you

In iTunes "Reggae" & "reggae" are matching strings - whichever one appears first in the library will be listed in the Genre menu & used to match all others. The iPod sees the alternate spellings as different categories.
It would appear that when you update information in iTunes it is compared with what is already there to avoid needlessly updating tags whose values haven't changed. From the above is follows that trying to set a specific case without changing the value of the field is likely to fail.
Try this:
Select all Reggae tracks in iTunes
Get Info
Set genre to ReggaeX
Click OK
Get Info
Set genre to Reggae
Click OK
Sync iPod
Other issues that could prevent your changes being processed are write-protected files (either marked read-only or where you only have read permissions) or files that iTunes cannot currently access, e.g. on a disconnected drive or network share.
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