Direction Mixer plug-in strangeness

If you insert the direction mixer into a stereo channel and reduce the stereo spread to mono the pan control becomes ineffective.
This means there is no way to mono and position a stereo source without using 2 seperate adjacent mono channels (then the automation has to be done seperately).
I understand how the direction control positions a stereo source but must admit I'm lost as to why as the source is progressively narrowed using the width control the pan control becomes less and less effective until it has no effect whatsoever! Is this correct?
Julian

Direction mixer pan doesn't really work like that, even when the track is in stereo. It's more of a left-right "swap" than a pan, I find it useful occassionally when a stereo sound is naturally panned to one side and I'd rather have it panned to the right.
So if you set the width to "0" (mono) the circular pan knob will be swapping identical signals so no change will happen.
Once you have the width of the sound set to how much you want it to be in the directional mixer, simply use the pan located above the volume fader for that track. I do it all the time, works like a charm!

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Okay, this is a question about panning. I am trying to produce some relatively severe panning effects with a guitar and I am using automation to pan from hard left to hard right. It does not sound right. I am still getting way to much signal in the opposite side. For example, even though I am panned hard left I still get signal in the right speaker, both on monitor and head phones. There is some audible shift but it seems more like a volume alteration than a pan.
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1: if something is stereo record it as stereo and if mono record as mono
2: recording mono and changing it to stereo won't make sense because its the same channel on two sides it'll still sound mono
3: recording stereo then switching the channel to mono is not a good idea because if the the both sides are phase then it'll sound weird because you'll only get the both soft sides in the centre or both loud sides in the centre
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my English is not that good but i hope you got what i mean
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Easiest way is to insert the Direction Mixer plug-in, set it to MS mode and select only the Right side of the stereo output on the channel strip mono/stereo select button.
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