Disadvantages of using BPM

can you explain disadvantages of using BPM?????

Hi Gabriel,
using BPm is always advantageous only thing is that complex scenarios are named as BPM.So it is complex
once you get the idea of BPM then no disadvanges.
/people/krishna.moorthyp/blog/2005/06/09/walkthrough-with-bpm - Walk through BPM
/people/siva.maranani/blog/2005/05/22/schedule-your-bpm - Schedule BPM
/people/sriram.vasudevan3/blog/2005/01/11/demonstrating-use-of-synchronous-asynchronous-bridge-to-integrate-synchronous-and-asynchronous-systems-using-ccbpm-in-sap-xi - Use of Synch - Asynch bridge in ccBPM
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/weblogs?blog=/pub/wlg/1403 [original link is broken] [original link is broken] [original link is broken] - Use of Synch - Asynch bridge in ccBPM
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Regards,
Sumit Gupta

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Using BPM

Hi Friends,
I Am new to XI . i would like to know when to use BPM , and what is the difference between BPM and Normal scenarios.
Also can u guys give me a sample scenario where BPM is used.
What are the advantages or disadvantages of using BPM.
Thanks,
Nilakantan.S

when to use BPM
1.Control/Monitor the messages in XI
2. Collect/Merge the messages in XI
3. Split the messages in XI
4. To Multicast an Message
5. Send an Alert
for sample scenarios
refer
Walkthrough with BPM
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/wiki?path=/display/xi/integrationProcess%28ccBPM%29inXI&
What are the advantages or disadvantages of using BPM.
Business Process Management (BPM) has become a critical part of enterprise development.business process management
Business process management (BPM) is a systematic approach to improving an organization's business processes. BPM activities seek to make business processes more effective, more efficient, and more capable of adapting to an ever-changing environment. BPM is a subset of infrastructure management, the administrative area of concern dealing with maintenance and optimization of an organization's equipment and core operations.
A business process is a set of coordinated tasks and activities, conducted by both people and equipment, that will lead to accomplishing a specific organizational goal. The Business Process Management Initiative (BPMI), a non-profit organization, exists to promote the standardization of common business processes, as a means of furthering e-business and business-to-business (B2B) development. To this end, the organization has developed the Business Process Modeling Language (BPML), an Extensible Markup Language (XML)-based metalanguage for modeling business processes.
BPM(Business Process Management) is a structured approach that models an enterprise's human and machine tasks and the interactions between them as processes. BPM software uses a dashboard interface that offers a high-level view of the operation that typically crosses departmental boundaries. The dashboard integrates with all the applications that perform processes as well as related databases and can be used to trigger the start of a unit of work.
Evolving from document management, workflow and enterprise application integration (EAI), a BPM system can monitor and analyze tasks in realtime and set off alerts when specified limits are exceeded or a response is not received within a specified time.
Management for People/Machine Systems
For decades, systems that are entirely automated have more or less taken care of themselves. However, operations requiring a mix of people and machine procedures employ BPM as a higher-level management system that keeps track of them both.
Over time, a BPM system can provide historical data of human-machine interactions that might be extremely difficult to obtain from information systems, especially disparate systems from several departments or systems running on different platforms.
The BPM Suite (BPMS)
A BPM system may comprise a variety of independent packages or a comprehensive business process management suite (BPMS), which includes tools for modeling and analysis, application integration, business rules support, business intelligence (BI), activity monitoring and optimization. Advanced BPMSs provide a development tool for creating forms-based applications, which are often the start of many business processes.
The following r excellent websites on BPM giving the need for BPM :
An introduction to Business Process Management
http://www.avelon.nl/downloads/Introduction_BPM.pdf
business process management
http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci1088464_tax304528,00.html
BUSINESS PROCESS MANAGEMENT WITH SAP NetWeaveru2122
http://www.sap.com/platform/netweaver/pdf/BWP_NetWeaver_BPM.pdf
Business Process Management Essentials
http://www.glintech.com/downloads/BPM%20Essentials%20with%20Open%20Source.pdf
Business Process Management
http://www.seeburger.es/fileadmin/es/pdf/SEEBURGER_-_Business_Integration_Server__TA000714BPM_.pdf
BPM Process Patterns Repeatable Designs for BPM Process Models
http://edocs.bea.com/albsi/docs55/pdfs/BPM%20Process%20Patterns%20White%20Paper.pdf
Business Process Management -Modeling to Execution
http://www30.sap.com/korea/company/events/techday05/img/data_06.pdf
BUSINESS PROCESS MANAGEMENT (BPM)
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/servlet/prt/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/ed49db90-0201-0010-c4a5-c520866a19c7
BPM Process Patterns:Repeatable Design for BPM Process Models
http://www.bptrends.com/publicationfiles/05%2D06%2DWP%2DBPMProcessPatterns%2DAtwood1%2Epdf
Patterns: SOA Foundation - Business Process Management Scenario
http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg247234.pdf
A BPM Roadmap
Clubhouse Las Vegas- A BPM Roadmap
Edited by: malini balasubramaniam on Sep 22, 2008 7:27 AM

Cons of using BPM

Hi All,
I know BPM is used when I need to implement a scenario which needs stateful processing. Also BPM is used when I need to go for a synchronous-asynchronous bridge. Also BPM supports good error handling.(Pls correct me if I was wrong any where)
When BPM provides me a lot of advantages why should i avoid using BPM as far as possible. Coz when I go through some previous threads a lot of experts advise not to go for BPM. Can you pls tell me why is that? Any docs where I can find cons of BPM would be of great help.
Thanks & Regards,
Jai Shankar.

Jai,
The mappings in XI get executerd on the Java Stack, whereas the BPM is executed in the Business Process EnNgine , which is a part of the ABAP stack.
So, a BPM has multiple calls between the JAVA and ABAP stack and causes a performance bottleneck
Like you mentioned BPM provides Stateful Message Processing and from what I have seen, normally during design stages of any XI Interface, when the choice is between whether to go for a BPM or not , the following questions are asked,
1. What is the number of times the interface will be run per day.
2. Can the interfaebe implmeneted without a BPM and if yes, then what is the approach and what is the disadvantage of avoiding a BPM.
ALso, http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/43/d92e428819da2ce10000000a1550b0/content.htm
Just check the Step types with low and high resource consumption and normally , the decision is based on the entire flow and the requirement of the interfaces.
Regards,
Bhavesh

Disadvantages of using page flows

Hello Friends,
I am using page flows for the first time. I would also need to run the web application under another j2ee server. I know that we can use the portability kit to do this transformation.Even though I understand that using page flows have certain advantages, I wanted to know whether there are disadvantages to using it too?
Some specific questions I had was:
1. Does using page flows slow down the web application?
2. Does using page flows increase the web app size?
3. Does it make it difficult to maintain?
4. Does using the portability kit have some disadvantages?

Hi Gabriel,
using BPm is always advantageous only thing is that complex scenarios are named as BPM.So it is complex
once you get the idea of BPM then no disadvanges.
/people/krishna.moorthyp/blog/2005/06/09/walkthrough-with-bpm - Walk through BPM
/people/siva.maranani/blog/2005/05/22/schedule-your-bpm - Schedule BPM
/people/sriram.vasudevan3/blog/2005/01/11/demonstrating-use-of-synchronous-asynchronous-bridge-to-integrate-synchronous-and-asynchronous-systems-using-ccbpm-in-sap-xi - Use of Synch - Asynch bridge in ccBPM
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/weblogs?blog=/pub/wlg/1403 [original link is broken] [original link is broken] [original link is broken] - Use of Synch - Asynch bridge in ccBPM
**PS:Reward points if useful**
Regards,
Sumit Gupta

Disadvantages of using "0" zero as first value in a generated sequence

Does anyone have any experience with the benefits/disadvantages of using a value of 0 "zero" as the first value generated in a sequence that is also populated in a table. My past experience has always used the values of 1 "one" as the first generated value from a sequence.
Thanks

Benefit: You get use one "more" number from the list of values that can possibly be generated by the sequence. If you are start from '1', you have missed out on '0' :-)
Disadvantages: If any of the queries have predicate like "sequence_generated_column_value > 0" and that your sequence starts from zero, the record with sequence_generated_column_value=0 will not appear in result set for that query (assuming it satisfies other conditions).
May be there are many mores benefits/disadvantages to add to this list :-)

Processing large volume of idocs using BPM Processing

Hi,
I have a scenario in which SAP R/3 sends large volume say 30,000 DEBMAS Idocs to XI. XI then sends data to 3 legacy systems using jdbc adapter.
I created a BPM Process which waits for 4 hrs to collect all the idocs. This is what my BPM does:
1. Wait for 4 hrs Collect the idocs
2. For every idoc do a IDOC->JDBC Message transformation.
3. Append to a Big List
4. Loop at the Big list from step 4 and in the loop for
5. Start counter from 0 and increment. Append to a Small List.
6. if counter reaches 100 then send a Batch JDBC Message in send step.
7. Reset counter after every send.
8. Process remaining list i.e if there was an odd count of say 5300 idoc then the remaining 53 idocs will be sent in anther block.
After sending 5000 idocs to above BPM following problems are there:
1. I cannot read the workflow log as system does not respond.
2. In the For Each loop which loops through the big list of say 5000 idocs only first pass of 100 was processed after that the workflow item is not moving ahead. It remains in the status as "STARTED" but I do not see further processing.
Please tell me why certain Work Items are stuck is it becuase I have reached upper limit and is this the right approach? The Main BPM Process is also hanging from last 2 days.
I have concerns about using BPM for processing such high volume of idocs in production. Please advice and thanks in advance.
Regards
Ashish

Hi Ashish,
Please read SAPs Checklist for proper usage of BPMs: http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/43/d92e428819da2ce10000000a1550b0/content.htm
One point i'm wondering about is why do you send the IDocs out of R/3 one by one and don't use packaging there? From a performance stand point this is much better than a bpm.
The SAP Checklist states the following:
"No Replacement for Mass Interfaces
Check whether it would not be better to execute particular processing steps, for example, collecting messages, on the sender or receiver system.
If you only want to collect the messages from one business system to forward them together to a second business system, you should do so by using a mass interface and not an integration process.
If you want to split a message up into lots of individual messages, also use a mass interface instead of an integration process. A mass interface requires only a fraction of the back-end system and Integration-Server resources that an integration process would require to carry out the same task. "
Also you might want to have a look at the IDoc packaging capabilities within XI (available since SP14 i believe): http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/7a/00143f011f4b2ee10000000a114084/content.htm
And here is Sravyas good blog about this topic: /people/sravya.talanki2/blog/2005/12/09/xiidoc-message-packages
If for whatever reason you can't or don't want to use the IDoc packets from R/3 or XI there are other points on which you can focus for optimizing your process:
In the section "Using the Integration Server Efficiently" there is an overview on which steps are costly and which steps are not so costly in their resource consumption. Mappings are one of the steps that tend to consume a lot of resources and unless it is a multi mapping that can not be executed outside a BPM there is always the option to do the mapping in the interface determination either before or after the BPM. So i would sugges if your step 2 is not a multi mapping you should try to execute it before entering the BPM and just handle the JDBC Messages in the BPM.
Wait steps are also costly steps, so reducing the time in your wait step could potentially lead to better performance. Or if possible you could omitt the wait step and just create a process that waits for 100 messages and then processes them.
Regards
Christine

What are the drawbacks or disadvantages of using LSMW

Hi All,
Can anyone tell me what could be the possible disadvantages of using LSMW and also some disadvantages of BAPI.
Regards,
MD.

Hi MD.
I would like to suggest a couple of disadvantages of LSMW.
Here are a few scenarios------>
1. Time consumption -
> IDOC processing plays a vital role. The changes made to the IDOC is therefore very time consuming.
2. In term of BAPI -
> Incomplete in terms of input fields of a particular transaction, rather it is not always complete.
3. In terms of Direct Input -
> No enjoy transactions and incomplete in terms of input fields of a particular transaction.
4. In terms of Batch input -
> Slow in terms of new recordings to be done, but BDCs are much simpler in that terms.
This factor also depends upon the user settings, The kind of processing which is foreground and background.
Hope that's usefull.
Good Luck & Regards.
Harsh Dave

Help needed in Multiple Receivers sceenarios using BPM

Hi,
I am new to BPM. As per my requirement, based on a business logic i may split the messages into two at message mapping. If i have spitted the messages into two, it should go to different receivers. Or if my logic hasnt splitted the mesaage means it should go to any one of the receivers. I also expect response from the receiver system once its done successfully.
Could you help me how to do this using BPM?
Thanks & Regards,
Senthil.

Hi,
You can do it without BPM also, by using MultiMapping. If only splitting is required then I would suggest not to use BPM since it will consume much memory. Instead you can use multmapping.
For Multimapping, go to messages tab in message mapping and select your different target structures and map it as per your requirement. In Integration Directory, go to advanced Interface Determination and proceed.
Br,
Madan Agrawal
Edited by: Madan Agrawal on Feb 12, 2009 8:25 AM

Asynchronous, but need Ack without using BPM and IDocs.

Hi Experts,
                 I would like to do a scenario i.e., "Asynchronous communication, but need Acknowledgement without using BPM and also without using IDocs whether it is sender side or receiver side". Please help me.
Thanks in advance
Srihari.

Without using BPM will be little longer process. But the alternative way is to add one more receiver in the receiver determination and send some file to that location with the actual mapping getting executed for the actual receiver. and in the second interface you can get the file created at second receiver back to the source location. But this will be little long as compared to synchronous scenarios.
Flow:
Source
          Receiver 1--> Actual mapping as per requirement
          Receiver 2(For Ack)--> Create a mapping with blank file sent to Receiver
Receiver 2-->File Adapter--> Source through 2nd mapping/interface and keep the File adapter pooling interval around 5 sec or less so that you can get the file back to source location.
Regards
Anand

Message Spiltting Without Using BPM in XI-7.0

We are using XI-7.0.
We need to spilt the message from 1 to many without using BPM based on following conditions.
We need to spilt the one message in many messages depending on the segment records of ZORDER3 and ZORDER2.
If IDOC message do not have segment ZORDER3 then message needs to be spilt based on the segment records of ZORDER2.
In the following example, one IDOC message would come from SAP system and that message needs to spilt into 7 messages for the vendor's system.
Any help will be appreciated.
Source message: IDOC-ZORDER
Segment:ZORDER1(Max occ-1)
PO:4600000010
LineItem:00010
Plant:5000
 Segment:ZORDER2(Max occ-999)
 ServiceCode-100000
 Segment:ZORDER3(Max occ-99)
 CostCenter:CC123456789
 CostDesc:CCTest1
 CocstCenter:CC23456795
 CostDesc:CCTest2
 WBSElement:WBS45698712
 CostDesc:WBSTest1
 WOrderNo:WO56987412
 CostDesc:WOTest1
 ServiceCode-200000
 Segment:ZORDER3(Max occ-99)
 CocstCenter:CC78956795
 CostDesc:CCTest7
 WBSElement:WBS492871
 CostDesc:WBSTest5
 WOrderNo:WO98757412
 CostDesc:WOTest6
Target Message Structure
POData(1:1)
 Level1(1:1)
 PO&LineItemNo:460000001000010
 Plant:5000
 ServiceCode-100000
 Level2(1:1)
 costobjectID:CC123456789
 costobjectDesc:CCTest1Thanks in advance!
MP

Mrudula,
If you give the target structure and occurrences of it , then it will be more helpful. Also please quote on wht basis the message needs to be splitted, coz the condition is not clear, Please give the condition too.
Best regards,
raj.

Multi-Mapping and Message Split using BPM

Hi All,
Could anyone pls let me know clearly how message mapping can be done for this weblog
/people/sudharshan.aravamudan/blog/2005/12/01/illustration-of-multi-mapping-and-message-split-using-bpm-in-sap-exchange-infrastructure
Thanks,
Ram

Hi,
When you are doing Message mapping after adding the Messaget types for source and target messages. You can click on the "" button in the target message and add one more tab. You can go to Message tab as shown in the 5th image and click "" button to add one more message type. Then do the mapping as usual.
Based on the value of the element(name), the node of input(details)should be directed to one of the two message types
Here in this blog it is done based on the Name.
You need to use IFTHENELSE boolean function and do the mapping.
Thanks,
Prakash

File to Idocs using BPM

Hi,
Current Interface Flow - File (xml) to Idoc (single Idoc type)
Thirdparty sends a File for Goods Receipt. This file may have multiple orders.
Orders are sorted in an xslt by ORDNUM. Each record has a delivery type (Deliver Type PO or Delivery Type STO). For each order Graphical Message mapping occurs.
In case of PO, inbound delivery number and item number have to be received from ECC via an RFC call and passed to VBELN and POSNR. While in case of STO, source field ORDNUM and ORDITEM are passed to VBELN and POSNR. (RFC call happens only for POs, not for STOs)
In case of STO, TCode will be MB0A.and IDoc would be WMMBXY (As is the case right now)
In case of PO, there may be two cases -
a) There is at least one response from ECC for all the line items inside an order --> in this case TCode will be MB0A and IDoc is WMMBXY .
b) If there is no inbound delivery number for any line item from ECC inside an order --> TCode MB01 will be used and IDoc used is WMMBXY
So for all the above cases Target IDoc is WMMBXY.
Changes to be done - Now File (xml) to Idoc (Two different Idoc types, WMMBXY and DELIVERY03)
Now there is an additional requirement that I will be using an additional IDoc (DELIVERY03) in above case a).
I want to use BPM in this case
1) RFC call in message mapping to get the inbound delivery number (for POs only) (Should be before the message enters BPM)
2) Separating the messages based on IDoc type
3) Interface / Message mapping for each IDoc type
4)Send the message to ECC
Please suggest how to proceed with BPM
Thanks,
Varun
Edited by: Varun Reddy on Feb 4, 2011 4:47 PM

Hi Varun,
Follow this thread... You have answer for this.
This link gives design ideas for your requirement
/people/sudharshan.aravamudan/blog/2005/12/01/illustration-of-multi-mapping-and-message-split-using-bpm-in-sap-exchange-infrastructure
Follow Bhavesh discussion. It might be helpful too
Message Split: File to Multiple IDOC Types

File to SOAP Scenario Using BPM

Hi,
I am doing File to SOAP scenario using BPM.
while doing Integration Process in IR, i got the following error message
"Expression of simple type xsd:string expected"
But i have given xsd:string in the correlation element as well as in Data types.
I dont know why it is getting the error.
could you anyone please help me to sort out?
Regards,
Sai Ch.

Hey,
Check in the correlation editor, where you define the condition.
Whether the data type of the XPath is string and whether it matches with the data type of the messages that you have selected.also make sure the type of the correlation variable is string.
regards,
Milan

N:1 Multimapping using bpm

hi all,
i am doing multiple file to single file that is n:1 mapping using BPM. please send me link for the same or give some suggestion regarding this.
thanks ,
Anup Banerjee

Hi,
You can use any of the collect message pattern provided. In your case any one of the following can be used:
1. BpmPatternCollectMessage
2. BpmPatternCollectTime
->There are some patterns in SWC : SAP BASIS --> namespace : http://sap.com/xi/XI/System/Patterns In ESR of your SAP PI System.
-> please go through this blogs it will help you.
Correlation Runtime Behavior of BPM.
http://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/scn/weblogs?blog=/pub/wlg/10526. [original link is broken] [original link is broken]
In Configuration By using of BPM.
-> two communication channels one for sender and one for receiver
-> 2 receiver Determinations
one for Sender to IP.
One for IP to Receiver.
-> 2 Interface Dtermination
one for Sender to Ip
one for IP two Receiver
-> 1 Sender agrement.
-> 1 receiver agrement for (IP to Receiver)
regards,
ganesh.

Idoc(receiver) message splitting using BPM

Hi,
could you provide some blogs which is useful for Idoc (as a Receiver) message splitting (1:N scenario) using BPM.
I have gone thru some of the Blogs, i didn't find good one according to this scenario.
Thanks
Praba

Hi Michal,
Thanks for ur reply.
You said " if you have one message and want to have multiple IDOCs
there is no need for a BPM -
you just need to change IDOC occurance - that's all"
I agree to your point.
My scenario is more or less same but "With single message , i need to generate multiple Idocs" based on synchronous proxy response from R3. That is the reason we already gone with BPM.
Already i used the BPM in my interface due to req. It was working. Earlier i was posting single Idoc to R3 with multiple Header segment (each Header segment has one quantity)
Now due to req. change, for each single quantity (quantity is my source Message Type field), i need to post single Idoc to R3 if i get response from R3.
My XI version PI 7.0 SP14
Idoc structure:
 <xsd:attribute name="SEGMENT" type="xsd:string" fixed="1" use="required"
xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" />
 </xsd:complexType>
- <xsd:complexType name="WPUWBW.WPUWBW01";>
- <xsd:annotation>
 <xsd:documentation>POS interface: Upload goods movements</xsd:documentation>
 </xsd:annotation>
- <xsd:sequence>
<xsd:element name="EDI_DC40" type="EDI_DC40.WPUWBW.WPUWBW01"; />
 <xsd:element name="E1WPG01" type="WPUWBW01.E1WPG01"; minOccurs="0"
 maxOccurs="9999999999" xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" />
 </xsd:sequence>
 <xsd:attribute name="BEGIN" type="xsd:string" fixed="1" use="required"
xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" />
 </xsd:complexType>
 </xsd:schema>
Already I am using this Idoc structure in various interfaces also. If i edit the occurance of the this Idoc and import in External definition with same name, I feel it afffect mapping in other interfaces also.
Inputs are highly appreciated.
Edited by: Prabaharan Rangasamy on May 22, 2009 4:14 PM

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