Disk space needs: Aperture vs. iPhoto

Does Aperture use more space than iPhoto? I realize iPhoto creates an additional JPEG file for each modified JPEG or RAW image. This may almost double your library size. How does Aperture compare in this respect?
Thank you,
Roman

Hi
You would be better to download a 30 day trial version of Aperture 2 here.... http://www.apple.com/aperture/trial/
Then you can play around with the feature's and see how you feel with them before you decide to purchase.
I have Canon DPP also but I never use it, in fact I removed it in favour of Aperture. I know what you mean by a "clunky interface".
You can add plug-in's to Aperture, I use "Noise Ninja" for noise reduction..its amazing.. It is also accessed from within Aperture, you don't have to leave Aperture at all.
There are other excellent plug-in's available too, depends how far you want to go...
Aperture is not Photoshop.....! Its a powerful image management system with great editing capabilities, which can be enhanced further by plug-ins...
When you say "the small video's" like in iphoto, I take it you mean "skimming".... where you pass your cursor over the project and you can "skim" through all the photo's in a project without opening it. Well you can do that in Aperture, its a great facility.
You can create multiple vaults on external hard drives & access them from Aperture, you can let Aperture manage them for you (managed files), or you can manage them yourself (referenced files) yes there have been problems, but when has there not been problems with applications, I personally have never had a glitch...(touches wood rapidly here..... :o) )
So bite the bullet Roman 1... download that trial version and go for it over the Xmas break.... :o)
Have a good Xmas...
W............

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"internal disk space needs repair" Time Capsule error message

I had successfully transfered my entire iTunes library to my TC. Worked without a hitch for a week.
Today, I downloaded an album FROM iTunes. In the middle of the download, it froze. I noticed I was dismounted and my TC light had turned orange (now blinking) and I received the mesage "internal disk space needs repair."
From what I've read on this board, I'm supposed to reformat my TC and start again. That's an unacceptable solution. Is there another way?
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Thank you, honestly it is all over my head!! Will pull out the books and see if I can figure out how to do what I need to do. But, thanks!!
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For the +TM Buddy+ widget, click your mouse on the words "Click here" in my previous post (anything on these forums that's shown in blue or purple, and is underlined when your mouse passes over it, is a "clickable link" -- clicking on it will take you to that web page.
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Insufficient disk space on Aperture Library volume to import iphoto library

3 Importing iphoto library to Aperture questions:
(1) Finally switching to Aperture because too many photos to manage in iphoto. When importing iphoto library it gives me the message: Insufficient DIsk Space - "There is not enough free space on your Aperture Library volume to import the selected items. It is estimated that you need an additional 83GB of free space."
The photos are all on an external drive which has 150GB free space. I also tried moving the aperture library to another hard drive which has lots of free space. I want the Aperture library to reside on the external drive so I can share it between my laptop and desktop.
I tried this at the apple store and it was going to work. I came home and it now says it needs 125GB free space. Is this a function of which computer you use to import the library? What can I do because I can't spend hours at the apple store if it may take that long to import all the photos from the library.
(2) Is there an optimum way to import a large library, rather than all at once?
(3)Used iphoto manager to create a project library from an iphoto library. Now have 2 good libraries to import, one with about 35k photos, the other with about 8k. The 8k will have some duplicates from the larger one. When I import that one I don't want to import duplicates, but do want to retain the organization and labeling of those duplicates in terms of which albums and events they are in. Is that possible?
Thanks!

Or use Aperture's built-in and suggested way to deal with the problem of a Library outgrowing your system drive: make many of your Image's Originals referenced rather than managed.
Aperture lets you store any Image's Original on any locally-mounted drive. Moving your Image's Originals from inside your Library (in which case they are "managed") to outside the Library (in which case they are "referenced") is easy -- as it moving them back.
The two main complications that arise from using Referenced Originals are:
- you must back up your Referenced Originals in addition to backing up your Library. Backing up your Library _does not_ back up your Referenced Originals
- you must not make any changes to your Referenced Originals with any program other than Aperture. _Do not_ use Finder to move, rename, etc.

Saving disk space with aperture, help please?

Ok, let me start by saying I am using a Macbook Pro 17inch model, with a 120gb HD. I just recently switched this summer to Mac over from PC. Now iPhoto has not been very satisfying to me, so that prompted me to buy Aperture. When I used my PC, which I still use now since it is a powerful desktop that I customized and has all my main hard drives hooked up to, I was used to using Google's Picasa software for organizing and searching my photo database. Picasa was very good for me, and I really wish that they had a Mac version of it, but since they don't, I need something to fill that need on my Macbook Pro. As I wrote before, iPhoto does not exactly satisfy me, so I would prefer to find an alternative to it. I am hoping that Aperture can do this, but I am having trouble so far.
Now I only need Aperture for its organizing and database qualities, which I am very impressed by. I do not plan to use it at all for image editing, I leave that to PS, and I don't particularly like the way it creates so many files for each photo and such. My main problem that I am coming across is that when I import my entire photo library (which I have already organized into a very convinient folder heirarchy) into Aperture, it literally doubles the size of my photo library by creating the huge Aperture Library file, and all of the project files within that file. Now I wouldn't mind this too much if it was on my desktop where I have plenty of hard drives to absorb these huge files created, but my desktop is PC for now and can't use Aperture, I plan to get the new Mac Pro next year when my budget can allow for it, but even still, I am not happy with the idea of creating a huge Aperture Library file that essentially doubles the size of my entire photo archive.
Now I noticed this huge file is due to the huge Project files created within the Aperture Library file. Unfortunately, to my knowledge and my trial and error this far, it is impossible to import photos into Aperture without importing them as projects. Am I correct in noting that I can not simply use Aperture for just its organization or database tools? I was really looking forward to getting aperture, but I can not afford to double the size of my entire photo archive on my laptops hard drive, because it is only 120gb and will not be able to sustain a growing photo library like this, especially if it grows at double the size for every photo imported.
Now I do own plenty of external hard drives, and am aware that I can direct Aperture to create its library file on an external hard drive, but it is not too convinient to have to have an external hard drive connected to my laptop every time I want to use Aperture, and not very cost-efficient to have to dedicate a whole external HD just for Aperture's library file, plus I have doubts to how fast the program would run if it is running my library off of an external hard drive.
So in the end, do I need to find another piece of software from an outside company to suit my needs for an image database program? Is it possible to import all my photos into aperture without creating any project files? Please anyone with suggestions for what could help me, please do respond, and thank you in advance for any help.

Thanks for such a quick reply. What you wrote is helpful, and I did consider that at one point... but to go that route would require me to commit completely to using Aperture only for accessing my photos, and would never be able to use other programs to access my photos, I would have to do it all through Aperture, which is not all that bad, but I would like the freedom to access my photos from any program, or from simple folder view. I do see that in the long run it will help conserve HD space, but I really don't like having to commit completely to using only Aperture.
Is it really too much to ask for to have Aperture support maintaining my files in their original location while referencing them in its own library? I don't think that's too much to ask for, every other photo management software is capable of doing this, and at great speeds as well. Even iphoto doesn't create copies of every single item, Google's Picasa on the PC side is EXTREMELY fast and does exactly what I need it to do... I only hope that someone from Apple understands the needs of people like me, as I'm sure I'm not the only one out here who wishes Aperture could work the way I am describing, and hopefully Apple can do something to appeal to this group of people like myself.

A thought about HD sizes and mimimum disk space needed for OS X

This has just occurred to me and I am looking for more accurate numbers to help advise posters here, more accurately, when the situation occurs.
In this day and age of Macs with 500 Gigabyte and 1-4 Terrabyte drives, do we still need to tell people that have filled up their Macs' HDs that they need to leave 15-20 % of the total drive size free for OS X to still work properly.
Because this, actually, equates to a mimimum of 100 Gigabytes to, at least, 200 Gigabytes or more, for larger drives, of drive space that needs to be cleared of data! Just to have enough drive space for OS X?
Does anyone else thinks that this is a ridiculous amount that OS X, by itself, actually needs to run smoothly?
Does anyone here have a better estimation of just how many GBs OS X uses on an average basis?
I would rather have a more realistic size to have remaining on a hard drive than to keep using the percentage rule.
I know the percentage rule was used in the day when we had smaller capacity drives, so it would still apply in those situations.
But I do not think it no longer applies when drive capacities are so much larger today and getting larger.
Any thoughts and more realistic numbers welcome.

At 18% you start hitting where finding and writiing files and longer seeks as well as fragmentation starts to play a role.
Mac Pro has 4 internal drives. Most learn to keep lean mean boot drives.
Video and graphic or medfia storage perfrmance drops off at 70% level even with an array though you can push past that.
The only people that should be concerned are those with single dirve setups and that don't have the luxury of just pulling drive sled and upgrading.
I keep boot drive @ 50%. I don't like having all my files in one basket. And backups are external as well.
Below 10% you should be getting low on space error messages and it is the directory as I said that may not be large enough or fragmented. And a clone will help. Disk Warrior buiids a single non-fragmented while TechTool Pro will write if necessary if it can't write or create a directory.
Re-initializing your drives with each new OS or change under the hood is also a good idea as there are changes to partition structure that an update may try to modify but never like having the drive initialized.
If you are looking and won't take no for an answer fine. Seems like you have what you want the answer to be and looking for something to support it.

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Has anything changed in Aperture 2.0? With a library of 13,000 JPEGs, which program is more efficient with disk space?
Now let's say I switch over to shooting RAW images, which I would like to start doing more. Does that change anything?
Needless to say I am assuming Aperture 2.0 is fully compatible with Leopard and Time Machine. That was another concern I had with 1.5.

After you import your photos into iPhoto, you can delete the originals. In other words, if you have a folder full of images, and drag it to iPhoto, it will import them and make a copy of them. Then just delete the source folder. iPhoto makes multiple copies of photos - an original, a thumbnail version, and then a modified one that includes the edits that you make to the image. That way, you can always revert to the original version of the photo. It only makes a modified copy IF you have MADE modifications to the photos.

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Photos disk space usage

I don't quite understand what Photos does: it uses 3 times as much disk space as Aperture for the same library.
My Aperture library with some 53k photos (~200GB on external SSD) and a few hundred videos (~100GB on external SSD) uses around 40GB disk space for thumbnails in various sizes, database and so on.
After a few hours of importing, the same library in Photos has grown to 119.9GB.
Settings are: do not copy images to library, no use of iCloud Photo Library (and thus no "optimize Mac space usage").
Inside the library file, the Thumbnails directory uses a sane-looking 16.66GB, Previews is 7.29GB, and Masters uses only 1.35GB, since almost all images are still stored in Aperture referenced masters on external SSD.
The largest directory inside the library is Resources > model resources, with a whopping 86GB for 147k objects (images).
I'm almost sure these are a result of my trying and then disabling iCloud Photo Library during import yesterday afternoon.
Since Photos does not delete those resources for some reason (disk space and RAM are always cheap and plentiful for Apple, I guess) – is there a way for me to get rid of it if I don't want iCloud Photo Library? Would Photos be smart enough to start culling images here when my system disk space, a paltry 256GB SSD, dwindles towards zero?

graigsmith wrote:
it could be because the side bar images are square, maybe it caches the square cropped images. Theres a setting to not crop the thumbnails on the sidebar.
wonder if that does anything.
i have noticed that it's way faster now than in beta. The cache probably helps speed it up a lot.
I'm sure that speed is the reason they went with this heavy-handed way of handling faces. This will help a lot when people start having their masters library in the cloud.
However, when Photos simply fills up my system SSD to the point of OSX complaining that it can't work reliably anymore for lack of space, as it did on the first Aperture library import here and was about to do again hours ago, this really is besides the point somewhat.

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You should check your mailbox.
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Disk space full? no way...

we run iphoto 9 8.1.2 and lately whenever we open the program it comes up with the message that the disk space used to run iphoto is getting full, do you want to continue? i just imported over 80 photos and had no problem, but i did get the message.
this has been happening for about the past month. in the past month, we have uploaded about 300 photos, but put them all in the trash, then emptied the trash... still getting the message. we have 108 items on the disk right now, and that is about where it has been the entire time we've been getting this message (the 300 extra photos have come in for a day, then been gotten rid of onto CD's or trash or both!) can the two events be connected? is there someplace i've got some "ghost" images hiding i should be getting rid of - something that is telling my computer i've got more photos than i really do?? thanks for any help

Greetings,
How much free space do you have on the disk where your iPhoto Library is stored?
Have you moved your iPhoto Library or is it in the location Apple puts it by default Your User > Pictures > iPhoto Library?
If you do indeed have a fair amount of available space on your drive (at least 10% of your total capacity) then it sounds like you might have an issue with your iPhoto Library.
To try and resolve your issue:
Ensure all your software is up to date (Apple Menu > Software Update).
Remove the following to the trash and restart the computer and try again:
Home > Library > Caches (I remove the whole folder. It will be re-generated upon restart.)
Home > Library > Preferences > com.apple.iPhoto (There may be more than one. Remove them all.)
If the issue persists try rebuilding your iPhoto Library following this article http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2638. Use the bottom 3 rebuild options.
Hope that helps.

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Insufficient disk space when opening Aperture library in iPhoto

I just created a fresh library with 3000 photos (6GB) in Aperture. I then tried to open that library using iPhoto by holding down the Option key on launch but got an alert: "Insufficient Disk Space: There is not enough free space on the disk that contains this library to upgrade it. It is estimated that you need at least 6GB of free space."
OK, I only have 4GB of free space on my HD. But why would iPhoto need to upgrade the library to begin with? I'm using the latest version of both Aperture (3.5.1) and iPhoto (9.5.1) and I thought they use the exact same library. And even if iPhoto needs to upgrade the library, why would it need an extra 6GB when the Aperture library is only 6GB? If opening the library in iPhoto results in increasing the library size from 6GB to 12GB, I'd rather not do it. Am I missing something?

OK, I only have 4GB of free space on my HD. But why would iPhoto need to upgrade the library to begin with? I'm using the latest version of both Aperture (3.5.1) and iPhoto (9.5.1) and I thought they use the exact same library. And even if iPhoto needs to upgrade the library, why would it need an extra 6GB when the Aperture library is only 6GB?
iPhoto and Aperture are using the same library, but Aperture has preference settings, that prevent previews or faces from being created. If you open an Aperture library in iPhoto, the library size may increase, since iPhoto may be creating files, that Aperture did not create. Probably iPhoto's estimated was too pessimistic, but opening an Aperture library can increase the library size.
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I have just purchased A3, and am trying to import my iPhoto library into Aperture. The iPhoto library is 57Gb, and I am importing to an external HDD that has 660Gb free. I am importing into my aperture library, following the process described in the guide.
Each time I try this, the import goes into error, saying I have no space to import the library to.
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I downloaded the trial version, and loaded it up onto my new 27" iMac, running Snow Leopard in 64 bit mode, with 600 GB free on the hard drive. I tried to import iPhoto - same error, same "insufficient disk space amount". Yah, my library is about 60 GB, not 2000 GB!
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However, I tried it again - this time, I told it to save the photos in a folder - "Photos" it says - rather than in the Aperture library file. Tada! Works like a charm.
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