Display Modes and Aspect Ratio

I have a project that contains 4:3 and 16:9 footage. It is being prepared for 4:3 VHS release as well as 16:9 DVD release. For the DVD, I have exported all footage out of FCP from a 16:9 timeline. The VHS master is being sent to get captioned and the subtitle files for the DVD will be generated from this same master.
I originally thought I could just drop the video in its entirety onto two tracks in DVDSP, set the display mode of track 1 as 16:9 letterbox and the display mode of track 2 as 16:9 pan-scan. Then I could use chapter markers and stories to navigate as needed depending upon the aspect ratio of the original footage. The problem is this doubles the size of my DVD. I didn't think using the same footage on two tracks should increase the size as it is simply referencing the same file, but alas it does.
So, if instead I put only the true 16:9 footage on track 1 and only the pillarboxed (originally 4:3) footage on track 2, this solves the DVD size problem but screws up my subtitle timings, which I can certainly shift as needed but there are a LOT of small pieces in this project and it jumps between aspect ratios a lot so it will necessitate a lot of subtitle shifting.
Is there another better way to approach this? Hope my description was clear enough.
Thanks in advance.
P.S. Public thanks again to hanumang, whose responses to a previous related thread helped get me this far...

Hi Steve, thanks for your reply. I did not explain well. I am not planning to put both 16:9 and 4:3 versions on the DVD. What I am doing is using only 16:9 encoded video on the DVD. This is achieved by placing all footage (16:9 and 4:3) on a 16:9 timeline in FCP and encodeing to widescreen using Compressor. When I do this, the footage originally shot in 16:9 comes through unaltered while the footage originally shot in 4:3 comes through with pillarboxing.
Ultimately, I need widescreen footage to appear unaltered on 16:9 monitors and letterboxed on 4:3 monitors and I need the footage that was originally shot in 4:3 to appear pillarboxed on 16:9 monitors but unaltered on 4:3 monitors.
Based on the way I am exporting my footage from FCP, if I use a single track in DVDSP and place all the footage on that track and set it to 16:9 letterbox, I believe the footage that was originally shot in 4:3 will get postage-stamped, since the pillarboxing was created by FCP when 4:3 footage was placed in the 16:9 timeline.
The way I have been ensuring things appear correctly is to place ONLY the footage shot in 16:9 on one tack in DVDSP (set to letterbox) and ONLY the footage shot in 4:3 on a second track in DVDSP (set to pan-scan). They have to be on different tracks to allow for different displlay modes but that is necessary to insure things appear properly on all viewing possibilities.
Perhaps there is another way to set things up in FCP and export differently? Please let me know if you see another solution.
Thanks much!

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If DV Anamorphic, doesn't that stretch things out?
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