Display of secondary cost elements in KSB1

Hi
One of our customers wants to delete the view of Secondary Costs to a particular cost center in Actual View of Cost Line Items (through T Code KSB1). The costs flow to the secondary cost elements based on the activity type carried out. The system is calculating the total cost and then deducting the secondary costs again from the total cost as a result of which the overall costs are in the negative. The customer wants to display the total costs only and not the flow to the secondary cost elements, even, though the data is posted for the current fiscal year for the said cost elements.
Some transaction data already exists for the secondary cost element. We tried to changed the settings in allocation cost settings to Allocation Type 4, Manual Entry, no allocation for a future date, but still the costs are flowing to the cost element. Pls suggest a way out.
Would assign points if the problem is sorted.
regards
Sanil Bhandari

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