Distinguishing features of Discrete and Process Manufacturing?
Hi
I need to know the difference between process and discrete manufacturing environment.
Also, what SAP PP offers to cater both environments?
Plz help.
Edited by: Chris SAP on Aug 5, 2010 5:01 PM
Hi Chrish,
A ) In Pharma the requirement of Key raw material's ingredient will differ based on the active ingredient of other component for key raw material to achieve desired result .
say A + B -
> C where in A is the key raw material
100 Kg -
>>> 100 Kg yield where in 100% of A & 50 % B gives 100 % C
In case A is 90 % and the extra quantity will be consumed from B
In the BOM we have MQC in that formula could be defined for making this balance
B ) difference between Routing and recipe is that In routing we have Operations but in recipe we have Operations & Phases
and Operations are assigned to the secondary resources
In recipe we can assign Pi sheet But not in routing .
recipe have MQC tab but routing dont
In Routing the Qty is fixed for desired output But in Recipe the input quantity varies based on Active ingredients of the components
I hope you understand pl come back if you have any doubt
Regards,
Jaya vimal
Edited by: jaya vimal on Aug 8, 2010 4:18 PM
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Next Step: Use the following information to resolve the error, and then try the setup process again.
Feature: SQL Client Connectivity SDK
Status: Failed: see logs for details
Reason for failure: An error occurred during the setup process of the feature.
Next Step: Use the following information to resolve the error, and then try the setup process again.
Rules with failures:
Global rules:
Scenario specific rules:
Rules report file: C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL Server\110\Setup Bootstrap\Log\20120731_161013\SystemConfigurationCheck_Report.htmPlease help.
I did what you suggested, but, still got error message to install SQL server data tools: Here is the log.
Overall summary:
Final result: Failed: see details below
Exit code (Decimal): -2068037632
Start time: 2014-09-29 15:05:38
End time: 2014-09-29 15:15:55
Requested action: Install
Setup completed with required actions for features.
Troubleshooting information for those features:
Next step for SSDTBI_VS2012: Use the following information to resolve the error, and then try the setup process again.
Machine Properties:
Machine name: MSBI
Machine processor count: 4
OS version: Future Windows Version
OS service pack:
OS region: United States
OS language: English (United States)
OS architecture: x64
Process architecture: 32 Bit
OS clustered: No
Product features discovered:
Product Instance Instance ID Feature
Language Edition Version Clustered Configured
SQL Server 2008 Management Tools - Basic
1033 Express Edition 10.0.1600.22 No Yes
SQL Server 2012 MSSQLSERVER MSSQL11.MSSQLSERVER Database Engine Services 1033
Enterprise Evaluation Edition 11.0.2100.60 No Yes
SQL Server 2012 MSSQLSERVER MSSQL11.MSSQLSERVER SQL Server Replication 1033
Enterprise Evaluation Edition 11.0.2100.60 No Yes
SQL Server 2012 MSSQLSERVER MSSQL11.MSSQLSERVER Full-Text and Semantic Extractions for Search 1033
Enterprise Evaluation Edition 11.0.2100.60 No Yes
SQL Server 2012 MSSQLSERVER MSSQL11.MSSQLSERVER Data Quality Services 1033
Enterprise Evaluation Edition 11.0.2100.60 No Yes
SQL Server 2012 MSSQLSERVER MSAS11.MSSQLSERVER Analysis Services 1033
Enterprise Evaluation Edition 11.0.2100.60 No Yes
SQL Server 2012 MSSQLSERVER MSRS11.MSSQLSERVER Reporting Services - Native 1033
Enterprise Evaluation Edition 11.0.2100.60 No Yes
SQL Server 2012 Management Tools - Basic
1033 Enterprise Evaluation Edition 11.0.2100.60 No Yes
SQL Server 2012 Management Tools - Complete
1033 Enterprise Evaluation Edition 11.0.2100.60 No Yes
SQL Server 2012 Client Tools Connectivity
1033 Enterprise Evaluation Edition 11.0.2100.60 No Yes
SQL Server 2012 Client Tools Backwards Compatibility
1033 Enterprise Evaluation Edition 11.0.2100.60 No Yes
SQL Server 2012 Client Tools SDK
1033 Enterprise Evaluation Edition 11.0.2100.60 No Yes
SQL Server 2012 SQL Server Data Tools
1033 Enterprise Evaluation Edition 11.0.2100.60 No Yes
SQL Server 2012 Integration Services
1033 Enterprise Evaluation Edition 11.0.2100.60 No Yes
SQL Server 2012 Reporting Services - SharePoint
11.0.2100.60 No Yes
Package properties:
Description: Microsoft SQL Server 2012 Service Pack 1
ProductName: SQL Server 2012
Type: RTM
Version: 11
Installation location: C:\9f7a58aa5d6d76ffe6be968a4ad339f5\x86\setup\
Installation edition: Express
Slipstream: True
SP Level 1
Patch Level: 11.1.3128.0
Product Update Status:
Success: KB 2674319, KB 2793634
Product Updates Selected for Installation:
Title: Service Pack 1
Knowledge Based Article: KB 2674319
Version: 11.1.3000.0
Architecture: x86
Language: 1033
Title: SQL Server 2012 SP1 GDR Product Update
Knowledge Based Article: KB 2793634
Version: 11.1.3128.0
Architecture: x86
Language: All
Update Source: MU
User Input Settings:
ACTION: Install
ADDCURRENTUSERASSQLADMIN: true
AGTSVCACCOUNT: <empty>
AGTSVCPASSWORD: <empty>
AGTSVCSTARTUPTYPE: Manual
ASBACKUPDIR: Backup
ASCOLLATION: Latin1_General_CI_AS
ASCONFIGDIR: Config
ASDATADIR: Data
ASLOGDIR: Log
ASPROVIDERMSOLAP: 1
ASSERVERMODE: MULTIDIMENSIONAL
ASSVCACCOUNT: <empty>
ASSVCPASSWORD: <empty>
ASSVCSTARTUPTYPE: Automatic
ASSYSADMINACCOUNTS: <empty>
ASTEMPDIR: Temp
BROWSERSVCSTARTUPTYPE: Disabled
CLTCTLRNAME: <empty>
CLTRESULTDIR: <empty>
CLTSTARTUPTYPE: 0
CLTSVCACCOUNT: <empty>
CLTSVCPASSWORD: <empty>
CLTWORKINGDIR: <empty>
COMMFABRICENCRYPTION: 0
COMMFABRICNETWORKLEVEL: 0
COMMFABRICPORT: 0
CONFIGURATIONFILE:
CTLRSTARTUPTYPE: 0
CTLRSVCACCOUNT: <empty>
CTLRSVCPASSWORD: <empty>
CTLRUSERS: <empty>
ENABLERANU: false
ENU: true
ERRORREPORTING: true
FEATURES: SSDTBI_VS2012, SNAC_SDK
FILESTREAMLEVEL: 0
FILESTREAMSHARENAME: <empty>
FTSVCACCOUNT: <empty>
FTSVCPASSWORD: <empty>
HELP: false
IACCEPTSQLSERVERLICENSETERMS: true
INDICATEPROGRESS: false
INSTALLSHAREDDIR: C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL Server\
INSTALLSHAREDWOWDIR: C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft SQL Server\
INSTALLSQLDATADIR: <empty>
INSTANCEDIR: C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft SQL Server\
INSTANCEID: <empty>
INSTANCENAME: <empty>
ISSVCACCOUNT: NT AUTHORITY\Network Service
ISSVCPASSWORD: <empty>
ISSVCSTARTUPTYPE: Automatic
MATRIXCMBRICKCOMMPORT: 0
MATRIXCMSERVERNAME: <empty>
MATRIXNAME: <empty>
NPENABLED: 0
PID: *****
QUIET: false
QUIETSIMPLE: false
ROLE: AllFeatures_WithDefaults
RSINSTALLMODE: DefaultNativeMode
RSSHPINSTALLMODE: DefaultSharePointMode
RSSVCACCOUNT: <empty>
RSSVCPASSWORD: <empty>
RSSVCSTARTUPTYPE: Automatic
SAPWD: <empty>
SECURITYMODE: <empty>
SQLBACKUPDIR: <empty>
SQLCOLLATION: SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS
SQLSVCACCOUNT: <empty>
SQLSVCPASSWORD: <empty>
SQLSVCSTARTUPTYPE: Automatic
SQLSYSADMINACCOUNTS: <empty>
SQLTEMPDBDIR: <empty>
SQLTEMPDBLOGDIR: <empty>
SQLUSERDBDIR: <empty>
SQLUSERDBLOGDIR: <empty>
SQMREPORTING: true
TCPENABLED: 0
UIMODE: AutoAdvance
UpdateEnabled: true
UpdateSource: MU
X86: false
Configuration file: C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft SQL Server\110\Setup Bootstrap\Log\20140929_150412\ConfigurationFile.ini
Detailed results:
Feature: SQL Server Data Tools - Business Intelligence for Visual Studio 2012
Status: Failed: see logs for details
Reason for failure: An error occurred for a dependency of the feature causing the setup process for the feature to fail.
Next Step: Use the following information to resolve the error, and then try the setup process again.
Component name: Microsoft Visual Studio Tools for Applications 2012
Component error code: 0x80044000
Component log file: C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft SQL Server\110\Setup Bootstrap\Log\20140929_150412\VSTA2012_LangsSupport_Cpu32_1.log
Error description: VS Shell 2012 installation has failed with exit code -2147205120.
Error help link: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink?LinkId=20476&ProdName=Microsoft+SQL+Server&EvtSrc=setup.rll&EvtID=50000&ProdVer=11.0.3436.0&EvtType=VSTA2012_LangsSupport%40Install%400x-2147205120
Feature: SQL Client Connectivity
Status: Passed
Feature: SQL Client Connectivity SDK
Status: Passed
Rules with failures:
Global rules:
Scenario specific rules:
Rules report file: C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft SQL Server\110\Setup Bootstrap\Log\20140929_150412\SystemConfigurationCheck_Report.htm -
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I need your support on a specific solution related to discrete production process.
After creating a sales order where the materials are marked as raw materials (ROH), with reference to the sales order the production order is created and the store issues the material for assembly process and is sent for assembly of materials. After assembly of the materials the inventory is added to the sales order stock as same as raw material and after PGI the billing is done for raw material only.
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