Distributed Audio Question

Hi All,
As a follow on to my previous post before I take the leap from Cubase to Logic I have 2 more questions.
1. For those that have used Distributed Audio, is it necessary and useful, or was it a pain in the a**? Does it work well? How many machines did you chain.
2. How does the licensing on distributed audio work (buying extra copies, etc)?
Does anyone have any links (Apple or otherwise) to information on Distributed Audio, all the stuff that was there and indexed in Google has since been removed with the launch of Logic Pro 8.
Cheers
T.

It's probably best to check out the documentation:
http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/LogicPro_8_UserManual.pdf
To answer your questions:
1. I never needed it. But if I ever do it's nice to know that it was there. It was very easy to setup. All you need is a Gigabit switch to attach your Macs or if you're using just two, connect them directly. I only ever chained two machines.
2. Logic comes with a node utility that you run on the other macs so you don't need to buy more than once copy of Logic. However, the new manual above indicates that if you want to run third party AU effects on node machines they will need to be authorized on those systems.
However, in Logic's AU manager you can independently select whether a 3rd party plugin is available for Node usage.

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Hi.
Interessting Question. The macmini must have an intel core cpu and gigabit ethernet. The older models don't fit the specs for Logics QNode wich is needed, to let the iMac do distributed audio processing on the macmini. Additionally you have to connect the two macs with a gigabit network.
http://www.apple.com/logicstudio/logicpro/specs.html
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http://www.uaudio.com/products/uad-dsp_menu.html
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How can you be certain? I have asked the same question elsewhere and the response I got was, "Even if anybody did know the answer to your question they would be developers who are under a strict Non-Dislcosure Agreement. You'll most likely just have to wait and see."
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c)
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Domain 1 (host1)
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