DMS: using BPM instead of WFW

Hi Experts,
What do you think of using BPM instead of workflows for DMS distribution or alerts? Does it exist standard modules to implement this?
Thanks in advance!
Kind regards,
Neil

Hi,
Did you make up your mind on this? Do share incase you arrived at any concrete conclusion. Would be interested to know.
From whatever little i know, both the solutions appear so similar and yet are very different. An interesting comparison is presented in the link below, do go through whenever time permits.
http://sapsolutions.searchsap.com/documents/document;5141982/sap_abstract.htm
Regards,
Pradeepkumar Haragoldavar

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I'd like to place a question to those who have already worked with the seeBurger AS2 Adapter.
The thing is, have you thought of using bpm with the AS2 Adapter?
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an image, a pdf, whatever... So unless you know that you're sending a text file or an xml, you shouldn't use bpm, right? Since you can't create
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What is the benefit of using BizTalk instead of SSIS/ETL ?

There is old blog of mine on this topic and following is extract from it. Also anothere thread in this BizTalk forum on this same topic shall also help you.
https://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/a53f5d8c-d619-4ff6-ae54-2533bf7ad054/is-this-project-a-good-candidate-for-biztalk?forum=biztalkgeneral
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SSIS and BizTalk can work together:
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I'm using Java5 under Windows XP and I'm developing under Eclipse.
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Is there anything, I need to know?
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          if(some==null) System.out.println("Some is not yet initialized, FEAR!!!!\n");
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sorry for my sarcasm. I do not know, why it doesn't work.
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          if(some==null) System.out.println("Some is not yet initialized, FEAR!!!!\n");
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# An unexpected error has been detected by Java Runtime Environment:
# EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION (0xc0000005) at pc=0x6d942975, pid=1784, tid=1648
# Java VM: Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (1.6.0_03-b05 mixed mode, sharing)
# Problematic frame:
# V [jvm.dll+0x182975]
# An error report file with more information is saved as hs_err_pid1784.log
# If you would like to submit a bug report, please visit:
#   http://java.sun.com/webapps/bugreport/crash.jsp
#do you need some other informations or details? something out of the log-file? ok, i have to take the bus, so sorry for uncomplete informations or sentences ;)
till later.

Hi,
I'm quite sure, the signature is correct. For failure check, yesterday I ran javap to check the signature, but I do also mean, that I changed the signature afterwards for several time. And, it works ;) at least the way, using Integer.
Trying to use java/lang/String everytime I got the Error, that the method could not be found - this is the part, I was wrong in my description. So the error-Message is a different one.
Belonging to the question for assumptions I made... it's difficult. I'm quite new to JNI, so, I don't know, what I can assume to do. The Method call seems to be a kind of reflection-mechanism. So I assume that the behaviour is similar. But reflection I'm not very firm, either ^^.
What I do assume is, that the parameter-value J fits to the java-type jlong. But a work around on this, I will try today. getting the jlong into an char* or using long instead of jlong or using Ljava/lang/Long; or a casted Long as Ljava/lang/Object; ...
I'm anxious to the ideas, I will have, bypassing this point. if there is no way, I will write a file, send a email or something like this ;)
Thx for thinking about my problem jschel!! It's great not to be alone.
John

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