DNG and Phase One

Hi,
Does dng provide lossless convertion from Phase One to dng file format?
Can you also convert it back from Dng to Phase One format without any loss of quality?

I would be interested as well in the answer, whether the conversion between PhaseOne TIF and DNG is truly lossless or not. I don't know the answer to this, and haven't researched it.
For my money Capture One, is better for pure processing than Camera RAW, still after all these revisions. Somehow the Capture One processing is more 'film like'. It takes a lot of work in Camera RAW to get a processed file to simulate what you can produce with Capture One. And even then there's some definition, some factor X missing. Tones and colors are slighty flatter, less naturalistic, sharpening more fake - using Camera RAW. 'Clarity' is particularly dangerous, artificially filtered looking, and likely to be abused Just my opintion.
So my personal answer is, depending on the answer we get above - if you can avoid using DNG - do.

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Phase One Raw File have lines in them (Lightroom 2.1 ACR 5.1)

when importing Phase One P25 raw files, Lightroom is displaying tin lines across the image. those lines are not appearing in any of the Capture one Software 3.7 4.1 or 4.5 I guess ACR is not reading the Digital Back Calibration Data. I am managing thousands of Images in Lightroom and I don't want to move back to Capture one as it is very limited in terms of its meta data management and no spot removal yet.
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Adobe, can you improve the way you read the Phase One Raw Files?
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I can send to adobe some Raw File Example or assist in any way I can to find a solution.
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Following does not alleviate the problem, but it may shed some light on the underlying reason.
Phase One are fooling their customers with the promise of 16bit depth. However, in fact that is only 14 useful bits; the two low order bits *must not* be used, for they represent mainly the pecularities of the hardware.
The following capture is from a P25+ raw image (converted in DNG by the Adobe DNG converter), but only the two low order bits are processed. These should be random on their own, as theoretically they would represent the finest transitions. The two thin vertical lines show the seams between the chips; their location depends on the particular camera copy (I have seen one or two seams, i.e. the sensor is made out of two or three chips, but perhaps there can be more).
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http://www.panopeeper.com/Demo/PhaseOne_P25Plus_SensorSeams.GIF

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Can the Adobe DNG Converter 5.3 open and convert Phase One P65+ files to DNG?
Checked the Adobe camera support screen and found every Phase One model supported except the P65+ and no mention of EIP files.
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Can the Adobe DNG Converter 5.3 open and convert Phase One P65+ files to DNG?
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Full support for Phase One files would be nice.
If you plug in a CF card containing Phase One RAW files, Lightroom pretends to import them but it only imports the thumbnails. The work around is to download the CF card files to the hard drive and then ask Lightroom to import the folder. Once this folder is in Lightroom you can then ask for DNG conversion. It's a bit of a pain to say the least. I expect it's Phase Ones fault for chosing .tif as the extension for it's RAW files.
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Damien.
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maybe i was doing something wrong, but i had no problem working with p20 and p45 raw files in lightroom. i did not import them from a cf card, though, as they were already on a hard drive.

Imacon, Phase One MF digital backs

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HI everyone,
I'm having a problem with Phase One .IIQ and .TIF raws from a H20 back importing into LIghtroom 2.6. When I import using the .IIQ suffix the import stops with an error and no images are imported. When I switched the suffix to .TIF, images import but only as thumbnails.
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G.A.

Which specific back are you using?
Given that you have a ColorChecker chart, have you considered building a custom profile using the DNG Profile Editor?

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2. One of your new DNGs (which doesn't work). Please also send me the profile that you're trying to use with this DNG (which isn't showing up).
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[email protected] (yousendit.com, dropbox, etc.)
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