DNG as smart object in PS2???

Am I missing something or there is no way to place a DNG file from LR as smart object in Photoshop? Apparently this can be done in Bridge.
Thanks for any help.

Been requested since B2 or so. Still a wait.
Don
Don Ricklin, MacBook 1.83Ghz Duo 2 Core, Pentax *ist D
http://donricklin.blogspot.com/

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    Hello, I've just started working with DNG files exported as Smart Object from LR2 to PSCS3 and I would appreciate some feedback on my experiences thus far.
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    1.5. If I make any changes within LR2 to the original DNG file (i.e. _DSC1190.dng), those changes are *not* reflected within the PSD file.
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    Jeff Schewe wrote:
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