DNG lossy compressed - the workflow side

The technical side of DNG has already been discussed in other threads. I want to focus on the workflow side here. Viktoria and I have talked about this previously but I wanted to bring it into this forum.
The task is to use lossy compressed DNG files for (way faster) uploading to a service. Service works on the files and sends back a new Lightroom catalog. What we're hoping for was a possibility to import the new settings from that returned catalog and have them applied to the RAW files in the local source catalog.
Victoria though she had tried it once and it worked, but I was not able to confirm this. When I "Import from Another Catalog", this is what I end up with after I imported the altered DNGs. They now are side by side in the catalog, the original, unaltered NEFs and the altered (black & white) DNGs.
Also the field "Changed Existing Photos" in the import dialog was greyed out and said "(none found)". Which is actually kinda expected behavior, isn't it? If you import the same image in a different image format (NEF vs DNG) then Lightroom keeps both as individual files.
Is the necessary workflow for this to use DNG locally as well and ditch the NEFs? Can someone help and elaborate on this functionality?

Yes, and it might be a good reason for switching to a DNG workflow. If the DNGs and NEFs have matching file names, you could us my Syncomatic plugin to copy most adjustments .

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            for(x=0; x<width; x++) {
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                if(x%2==0 && y%2==0) c=0;
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        for(c=0; c<3; c++) {
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    BUY UNLOCKED BRAND NEW MOBILE PHONES AND LAPTOP,DIGITAL CAMERA,GAMES,PLASMA TV.They are brand new and sealed in an original company box with complete accessories and one year international warrantee.
    NOTE : Minimum Order : 3 unit and get 1 free
    Sample Order...1unit to 5units
    Bulk Minimum Order : 10unit and get Extra 3unit
    Shipping fees : free Shipping : FedEx, DHL or UPS
    Delivery Time : 38hrs/48hrs.
    MOBILE PHONE (BIRMINGHAM) LIMITED
    Address: 376 COVENTRY ROAD, SMALL HEATH, BIRMINGHAM, WEST
    MIDLANDS, B10 0XE
    +447024036361
    Contact Person :Thomas larry
    Sales Manager
    DO CONTACT US [email protected]
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    Nokia Phone.
    Nokia N95..$2800USD
    Nokia N93..$250USD
    Nokia N92.$200USD
    Nokia N97...$280USD
    Nokia N96...$280USD
    Nokia N83.$175USD
    Nokia N91.$180USD
    Nokia N90.$170USD
    Nokia N70.$150USD
    Nokia N71.$155USD
    Nokia N72..$160USD
    Nokia N73..$165USD
    Nokia E90 COMMUNICATOR..$300USD
    Nokia 7360.$165USD
    Nokia 7380..$175USD
    Nokia 8800 sirrocco...$200usd
    Nokia 7370..$170USD
    Nokia 8800$140USD
    Nokia 8801.$145usd
    Nokia N80.$160USD
    Nokia 7710.$145USD
    Nokia 7610.$120usd
    Nokia 9300$145USD
    Nokia 9500$170USD
    NOKIA 6230 for........$130usd
    NOKIA 6230i for.......$140usd
    NOKIA 6260 For........$130usd
    NOKIA 9300 For........$130usd
    NOKIA 9500 For........$140usd
    NOKIA 7610 For........$150usd
    NOKIA 6680 For........$130usd
    NOKIA 6682 For........$140usd
    NOKIA 7650 For........$150usd
    NOKIA E60 for.........$150usd
    NOKIA E61 for.........$155usd
    NOKIA E70 for.........$160usd
    Motorola Phone
    Mitac MIO 8930$280usd
    Motorola razor v3$130usd
    Motorola razor v3 pink edition..$130usd
    Motorola v3X..$140usd
    Motorola MPX300.,$150usd
    Motorola V3i..$150usd
    Motorola L7$140USD
    plasma sony 32?'.$400usd
    MOTOROLA SLVR V8 For........$150usd
    MOTOROLA A1000 For...........$160usd
    MOTOROLA A1010 For...........$200usd
    MOTOROLA MPX 220 For........ $120usd
    MOTOROLA MPX 300 For........ $140usd
    Sony Ericsson w950i.........$170usd
    Sony Ericsson w900i.$140usd
    Sony Ericsson W800i.$135usd
    sony Ericsson w700..$130usd
    sony Ericsson w600i.$125usd
    sony Ericsson w300..$120usd
    sony Ericsson w950..$200usd
    Sony Ericsson p990i.$145usd
    Sony Ericsson m600i.$175usd
    sony Ericsson m600..$170usd
    Sony Ericsson p990..$140usd
    Sony Ericsson p910i.$125usd
    SONY ERICSSON K700i For......$130usd
    SONY ERICSSON k750i For......$140usd
    Sony Ericsson W810i For......$155usd
    Sony Ericsson S700i For......$140usd
    Sony Ericsson: Z1010 For.....$160usd
    SAMSUNG D600 For......$120usd
    SAMSUNG D720 For......$130usd
    SAMSUNG D730 For......$135usd
    SAMSUNG D800 FOR......$135usd
    SAMSUNG D820 For......$140usd
    SAMSUNG Z500 For......$150usd
    Apple iphones.................$200usd
    Apple ipods 80 GB............$180usd
    Apple ipods 60 GB............ $150usd
    PlayStation 3 20 GB.............$220USD
    Playstation 60 GB..................$250usd.
    i-mate jas ja and other.
    Treo 650 for. $150usd
    Treo 700 for. $180usd
    Sick kick for $140usd
    Side kick 2 for..$130usd
    Side kick 3 for..$150usd
    Eten m 500 for.. $100usd
    Dvx-pod for.. $50usd
    i-mate jas jar for. $160usd
    i-mate jam for.. $170usd
    i-mate k jam for.$180usd
    Eten m 500 for.. $150usd
    Treo 650$130usd
    Treo 600$120usd
    Treo 700w..$140usd
    Pioneer CDJ-1000MK3 ------------$900.00
    Pioneer DJ Effector - Red-----------$350.00
    Pioneer System Case (CA-CMX5).......$450.00
    Pioneer CDJ-800MK2 Digital Vinyl Turntable=--$520.00
    Pioneer Dual Rackmount CD Player--------$600.00
    Pioneer Pro DJ Mixer -------------$720.00
    Pioneer Rack mount pro DJ mixer---------$780.00
    Pioneer 96Khz / 24 bit digital mixer.-----$1,000.00
    Pioneer Flat Speakers (ea.)-------------$1,100.00
    Pioneer Professional DVD Turntable-------$2,000.00
    Pioneer Pro DJ 96Khz 24bit Mixer---------$2,200.00
    Pioneer Professional DVD Turntable------$2,220.00
    Pioneer Djm-800 4 Channel Dj Mixer W/midi---$1,000.00
    Pioneer DJM-400 Professional DJ Mixer------$300.50
    Pioneer Pro DJ DJM1000 Pioneer Top of the Line
    D---$2,100.95
    Pioneer DJM-1000 Professional Club DJ
    Mixer----$2,110.00
    Pioneer Super DJ mixer - Pioneer DJM909------$900.00
    Pioneer DJM-600-------------------------------$750.00
    Pioneer CDJ 800 MK II / DJM 600 CD DJ
    Package----$2,100.00
    Pioneer DJM-1000 Mixer--------------$2,200.00
    Pioneer Model: DJM-600K--------------$800.00
    Blackberry
    Brand new BlackBerry 8700r....$200
    Brand new Blackberry 8700c....$200
    Brand new Blackberry 8700g....$210
    Apple Iphone.....................for Just $400
    APPLE LAPTOPS.
    Apple NoteBook Laptop for just $550
    Apple Mac Book...for just $450
    Apple Mac Pro .....for just $500
    Apple Laptop 17inch for just....$400
    APPLE IBOOK 12" 1.33GHZ...............$350
    APPLE IBOOK 14" 1.42GHZ.....................$380
    APPLE IBOOK G4 1.33GHZ..................$370
    APPLE IBOOK G4 1.42GHZ....................$400
    APPLE G4 POWERBOOK 1.5GHZ SUPERDRIVE WITH 15
    INCHDISPLAY........$580
    APPLE G5 POWERMAC 2.0GHZ DESKTOP
    COMPUTER...................$620
    APPLE G4 POWERBOOK 1.5GHZ SUPERDRIVE WITH 17 INCH
    DISPLAY........$550
    All Toshiba laptops
    Toshiba Satellite PRO L10.. $320
    Toshiba M200 $500
    Toshiba R100 $450
    Toshiba Qosmio E10 $750
    Toshiba Satellite PRO L20.. $250
    Toshiba M100 $680
    Toshiba M300 $740
    Toshiba Portege A200. $320
    Toshiba Satellite L10 $330
    Toshiba Qosmio F20 $500
    *Dell Laptops
    Dell Latitude D600 $290
    Dell Latitude D500t.. $200
    Dell Inspiron 6000 $350
    Dell Latitude D505 $340
    Dell Latitude D610 $460
    Dell Latitude D510 $320
    Dell Inspiron 9300 $530
    Del Xps M2010..............................$400
    Del Xps M1710..................................$350
    Sony Laptops
    Sony VAIO VGN-T1 $680
    Sony VAIO VGN-FS315 $420
    Sony VAIO VGN-S3 $450
    Sony VAIO VGN-TX1.. $840
    Sony VAIO VGN-FS215 $310
    Sony VAIO VGN-S4 $470
    Sony VAIO PCG-K35.. $550
    Sony KDE-61XBR950 Television..3000usd
    Sony KDE-42XBR950 Television..1000usd
    Sony KDE-42XBR950 Television.1000usd
    Sony PFM-42X1/S Television.500usd
    Sony KDE-42XS955 Television..550usd
    Sony FWD-50PX1/S Television1200usd
    Sony KLV-32M1
    Television400usd
    SAMSUNG PLASMA TV
    SAMSUNG HPP3761 Plasma TV $610
    Samsung PPM42M5S Plasma Display $505
    Samsung SPP4251 Plasma TV $700
    Samsung PPM42M5H Plasma Display $550
    Samsung HPR4252 Plasma $680
    Samsung HPR4262 Plasma TV $450
    Samsung HPR4272 Plasma $560
    Samsung PPM50M5H Plasma Display $870
    Samsung HPR5052 Plasma $670
    Samsung HPR5072 Plasma $780
    Samsung HPP5581 Plasma TV $780
    Samsung PPM63H3Q Plasma Display $700
    Samsung HPR6372 Plasma $820
    PANASONICS TELEVISIONS
    Panasonic TH-42PD50U Television600usd
    Panasonic TH-42PX50U Television..1000usd
    Panasonic TH-50PX50U Television..1500usd
    Panasonic TH-42PWD6UY Television.500usd
    Panasonic TH-42PD25U/P Television400usd
    Panasonic TH-42PHD8UK Television450usd
    Panasonic TH-65PHD7UY Television..2500usd
    Pioneer PDP-5050HD Television.1000usd
    Panasonic TH-37PX50U Television.500usd
    Panasonic TH-42PX500U Television800usd
    HITACHI PLASMA TV
    Hitachi CMP4211u Plasma $850
    Hitachi CMP4212u Plasma $350
    Hitachi 42HDF52 Plasma HDTV $400
    Hitachi 42HDT52 Plasma TV $440
    Hitachi 55HDS52 Plasma HDTV $480
    Hitachi 55HDT52 Plasma TV $650
    Hitachi CMP-55HDM71 Plasma $420
    AOC ENVISION PLASMA TV
    AOC Envision A42W64 Plasma $400
    MAXENT PLASMA TV
    Maxent MX-42VM7 Plasma EDTV $370
    Maxent MX-50X2 Plasma $300
    NEC PLASMA TV
    NEC 42VP5 Plasma TV $400
    NEC 42VM5HA Plasma TV $470
    NEC 42VR5HA Plasma

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