Do I need Previews????

I am trying to speed up Aperture and save some space. I have browsed the group a bit and seen conflicting responses? If I don't have previews, do I have thumbnails? What are previews?
Thanks.

I am trying to speed up Aperture and save some space.
I have browsed the group a bit and seen conflicting
responses? If I don't have previews, do I have
thumbnails? What are previews?
Thanks.
This link to an article on the Aperture Support page might help:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=304499
Mike
PowerMac G5 Dual 2.0GHz, Radeon X800XT Graphics Card; MacBookPro 2.0Ghz   Mac OS X (10.4.7)   iMac800 and Powerbook G4 also in household

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    I don't think you need Preview.
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  • Preview will not display jpegs in Snow Leopard on MacPro

    I have read every posting on this site, deleted Entourage, deleted the Preview files suggested, and still I can't get jpeg images to display on my MacPro (I can get PDFs and thumbnails just fine).  I have the same operating system on my iMac, and Preview, works fine (even with Entourage on the computer) and always has.  This problem arose when I moved everything from my iMac to a MacPro I bought from a friend, and found to my shock Preview does not work.  I reloaded Snow Leopard and that did nothing.  Then, as I indicated, I did all the suggestions posted here, but had no success.  Is there something wrong with the MacPro?  I don't want to upgrade to Lion on this computer because I need it for editing on FCP 7.  I do documentaries and really need Preview to work. The previous owner did not need Preview for images when he used the computer so I don't know if it ever worked.   Any ideas?   Last resort, I will upgrade the MacPro to LIon and see if Preview works.  If it does, I will just use the MacPro for Avid projects and continue to use my iMac for Final Cut projects.  I just want to see if there is anything I can try before I do this.

    deleted Entourage
    Don't know who would have suggested that, but it was completely unnecessary. Entourage and Preview have absolutely no affect on each other.
    deleted the Preview files suggested
    What suggested files? File names, please.
    Is there something wrong with the MacPro?
    With the hardware itself? No, it's obviously a software issue.
    This problem arose when I moved everything from my iMac to a MacPro
    What do you mean by "everything"? Every single item, including the OS from the iMac, or just your user account and apps by using Migration Assistant?
    I reloaded Snow Leopard and that did nothing.
    Snow Leopard disks that came with the Mac Pro, or a retail copy?

  • Pdf Preview Handler Error outlook 2010 Server 2008

    Pdf Preview Handler Error in outlook 2010 32.bit and Server 2008 64.bit. Using Adobe X. Registry app id correct. Turned on previewer in outlook in trust center. Repaired adobe installation. All to no avail. Any thoughts or fixes. Please Help

    Hello i got nearly the same problem. Selecting the .pdf attachment in outlook. error code says that no preview can be showed, because the needed preview isn't installed.
    Server 2012 R2 as Terminalserver, Outlook 2013, newest version of adobe reader XI.
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    - also i repaired the adobe installation and i reinstalled it a few times.
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    For the life me I'm trying to fix this problem I'm having with Preview, across multiple users on the same iMac, 10.8.5.
    Everytime I try to use the screen grab functionality, Preview just unexpectedly quits and I cannot open it again, until I go to the user library and delete the file related to preview in the 'containers' folder. I can also not open any pdf's.
    Things already tried:
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    I hope someone can get me out of this mess….
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    peposo wrote:
    Everytime I try to use the screen grab functionality,
    Which might that be? You don't need Preview to get screen shots. Provide details and maybe someone can help.
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  • Preview size question

    Right now Preview size is set at Half Size and slider all the way to the left. Lowest quality I guess. This all in Aperture 2.1.1 preferences.
    It takes forever to update previews. I shoot D300 NEF.
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    So I need Previews? I do not use the other iLife apps.
    Anything to make Aperture faster is what I'm looking for.

    No it says Previews next to the spinning pie chart as it's updated. I see thumbnails too.
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  • Preview working very poorly

    Ugh.  Preview is driving me crazy.  Been this way for a while since upgrading to Mavericks (make that updating).  Cannot scroll through a PDF, and when I try and add notes on a post-it, the text on the screen is so slow that what appears is like 20 keystrokes behind what I am typing.
    I'm looking at 10 to 20 MB PDFs, and need Preview to work for, well, work. Tried safe boot mode, repairing permissions, and more (I did notice that in user / library /  caches that I don't have any com.apple.preview folders, but not sure what this means).
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    Lots of looking online, and no magic bullet that I can find.

    Please read this whole message before doing anything.
    This procedure is a diagnostic test. It won’t solve your problem. Don’t be disappointed when you find that nothing has changed after you complete it.
    The purpose of this test is to determine whether the problem is localized to your user account. Enable guest logins* and log in as Guest. Don't use the Safari-only “Guest User” login created by “Find My Mac.”
    While logged in as Guest, you won’t have access to any of your documents or settings. Applications will behave as if you were running them for the first time. Don’t be alarmed by this behavior; it’s normal. If you need any passwords or other personal data in order to complete the test, memorize, print, or write them down before you begin.
    Test while logged in as Guest. Same problem?
    After testing, log out of the guest account and, in your own account, disable it if you wish. Any files you created in the guest account will be deleted automatically when you log out of it.
    *Note: If you’ve activated “Find My Mac” or FileVault in OS X 10.7 or later, then you can’t enable the Guest account. The "Guest User" login created by "Find My Mac" is not the same. Create a new account in which to test, and delete it, including its home folder, after testing.

  • How to get lower-quality previews when working with Full-HD?

    I'm working with Full-HD video, but I don't need preview (rendered) files to be 1920x1080 too. It takes a lot of disk space and a lot of time to render preview files.
    Is there a way to have them some lower quality? For example 720x405 resolution would be enough.
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    Use a Custom sequence and change the previews as desired.

  • Preview stopped working macbook

    Preview crashed a few days ago and now it's stuck in a crash loop. Everytime I try to open a file with preview, it tells me that the last time it was opened that it crashed and would I like to reopen it. If I click "reopen" it crashes again. And then repeat. I have restarted my computer but that has not helped. I NEED preview...HELP!!

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  • Aperture+Slow Generation Of Previews

    Hello All,
    I'm wondering if anyone can offer any suggestions regarding Very slow preview rendering ? I have a DP G5 with 1.5 G Ram.
    I imported 1100 Jegs from my Canon Mark II, I have the preview size set to fit between 1920 * 1929 pixels and a quality of 5, it seems to take about 30 minutes to generate all the previews, - is this normal ?, I relise 1100 odd pics is a large number, but is it usally this slow ??
    Thanks

    Preview can really slow things down in Aperture. You might consider leaving them off and then generating them only for the images that you need previews for slideshows, iLife integration, or drag-and-drop. This is what I do, and it seems many others do the same from what I have read on this forum.
    There is good info about Previews here:
    http://homepage.mac.com/bagelturf/aparticles/previews/previews.html
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