Do LR3.5 develop settings (xmp) transfer to LR4?

I subcontract a lot of event work. I'm still using an older MBP which is 32bit so I can't upgrade to LR4 yet which requires a 64bit processor.
The studio that contracts me is running LR4 and they don't seem to think that the develop settings I make in LR3.5 are transferring to LR4. Is this possible?
If so, what's the solution?
I'm thinking an easy work-around would be to export all the files as DNGs? This would automatically include all changes that I make wouldn't it?
Thanks,
Dennis

Yes, they are transferring to Lr4, although Lr4 has different develop tools than Lr 3.5.
Lr4 gives you a choice of updating an image to the Process Version (PV) 2012, or leave the image at PV 2010 (or even PV 2003).
When an image that has been developed in Lr 3.5 is opened in the Develop Module of Lr 4 an exclamation mark appears in the bottom right corner, see screen shot:
When you click on the exclamation mark you will be asked if you want to update this photo (or alternatively all photos in the filmstrip) to PV 2012.
If you do, the Develop Panel on the right side changes to the new version of Lr4. If you don't update the right panel presents itself in the same way it did in Lr 3.5.
I suspect that your studio did not click on the exclamation mark and did not update the image to PV 2012.
Having said that: It is by no means mandatory that you update an image to PV 2012. Some images benefit from it, with other images it will deteriorate the image. It should be decided for each image individually.
That goes only for images that have been developed in Lr 3.5. If you i mport new images in Lr4 you generally would choose PV 2012.

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I'm probably missing something - clarification most appreciated.
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Bruce,
The images in your directory are the original imports you did and which not updated by subsequent editing adjustments. Opening the image in Lightroom loads the original image and applies edits made that are stored in the LR database. In other words, the adjusted image you see on your screen doesn't really exist anywhere as it is the original plus the history of edits applied each time you open it. The only way to have a file with the finished inage is to export it.
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Are snapshots required to save develop settings to XMP?

Here's the scenario: I typically make my changes in post-processing such as contrast, exposure etc, in the develop settings. When I'm done, I create a snapshot called "done". I do this because I fear that without creating a snapshot, the develop settings might not be written into the XMP, so that if I ever have to recover those settings, (say if I transfer a photo to my laptop, and the corresponding XMP file), they'd be gone without a snapshot. Anyone know if this is true?

The way Lightroom works, your develop settings are saved to the database. Every time in the future that you return to a photo and go into Develop Module, your settings are there for you to see (and change). Your develop history and metadata is also there. You do not have to turn on any options in Lightroom for this to happen, it is automatic, and cannot be turned off.
Thus, there is no need to write your develop settings to xmp. You can if you want to, but this does not happen automatically. You can Ctrl-S to save your metadata (including develop settings) to the xmp. You can turn it on so writing the edit settings and other metadata happens automatically (Edit->Catalog Settings->Metadata, check Automatically Write Settings to XMP) When you save to XMP, your final edit settings are saved, but not the history of steps that you followed to arrive at the final edited position. The primary reason you would save to XMP is so that your metadata and edits can be read by other applications; however there are only a few programs that can read and interpret your edits that are stored in XMP (Lightroom, Photoshop, Photoshop Elements and Bridge); many other programs can read the metadata (like keywords and captions). If you are not interested in communicating with other programs, there is no need at all to save your metadata and edits to XMP.
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In general, you do not need snapshots for the purpose you are using them for. Snapshots are an optional way of saving conditions along the way to your final edit.
Please read The Lightroom Starter Kit to learn more about how Lightroom operates, as quite honestly, you seem confused about how Lightroom works.

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I have found what I believe is a "problem" with JPGs downloaded using Nikon Transfer (ver 1.4.1) and processing same in Adobe Bridge CS4 (Develop Settings) and/or Adobe Camera Raw 5.3 (Photoshop CS4 and Elements 6 as hosts).
Anyone using these programs in their workflow?
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ALoverofNikon wrote:
I have generally thought that using the camera manufacturer's software was the safest and most conveneint
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Hey ssprengel,
No, I can't really make sense of any pattern. I edited almost all of my photos directly in Lightroom 4 using the develop module.
When I purchased Lightroom 5, I attempted to open the catalog I had used with Lightroom 4 and it told me it would be upgraded. I confirmed the upgrade and this is the new catalog I work with in 5. This is the catalog that does not consistently show me my develop settings from 4.
When I have upgraded Lightroom in the past, I had not run into this problem.
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Hello,
first off some background, that I would appreciate corrections on, if I understood something wrong.
a) Lightroom saves the settings it will apply to files in the database, but if the catagog option "Automatically write changes into XMP" is checked, LR will create a XMP file all files in which it stores the develop settings.
b) This setting applys to all files (raw, DNG, JPG, TIFF, PSD) unless the setting "Include Develop settings in metadata inside JPEG, TIFF and PSD files", in which case XMP files are not created for the named file-types, where the develop settings are saved into the metadata of the file itsself.
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holstphoto wrote:
I recently moved all of my photos from 2009 to an external HD to save some space on my laptop. I pointed the catalog to the new location ...
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I have accidentally deleted a large number of develped images in Lightroom before I did a backup. I reimported the original raw files back into Lightroom hoping the develop settings would be re-established but no luck. Notice system mau have done an auto-backup as have an lrcat-journal file. Can I use this to restore my develop settings. I also have jpgs generated from all the deleted images.

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