Do we need a Library and Develop Module?

Do we really need a Library and Develop module? There's lots of dissatisfaction with Lightroom speed and one of the problem areas is when switching from Library, when in standard preview or 1:1, to Develop and the 'loading' message appears or as on my mac the dreaded spinning beach ball goes crazy. Even with all the previews created it's still slow.
So, if we have a standard preview or 1:1 loaded why can't we automatically be ready to apply any adjustments and save an extra step to another module? The quick develop in the library seems unnecessary and I've never used it. That leaves the metadata and keywording panels requiring a new location, but again these are not something I need to refer to on a regular basis.
Anyone else any similar thoughts?

> ...but I'm pretty darn sure there won't be any back-stepping to REMOVE or substantially alter LR's basic premise...pretty sure Develop will always be about dealing with a single image adjustment (and applying that adjustment to other images if you wish).
And I'm okay with this premise, but it needs additional functionality, such as the ability to apply relative adjustments. It already has this via the keyboard shortcuts while hovering. It just needs a UI adjustment (I once did a mockup of this, and I think it works) and the ability for autosync to recognize them as relative adjustments to the other images.
It also needs additional views. Grid, survey and compare would be nice, but you're only adjusting a single image's RAW data rendering at a time - the others are shown as previews and adjustments to them are rendered that way (like Library does).
The issue is, many people like me end up switching modules far too often. I generally go back and forth between Library and Develop hundreds of times per day. That's way too many times to be suffering the module-switching penalty. I'd prefer to select the images I'm working on in Library, and never see that module again until I'm done working on them. For now, grid and survey are too often needed, and so are relative adjustments.
Develop already has most of the needed functionality. Relative adjustments are already available to one image, a grid is available but only at 1 row (film strip supplied by Library) and a quick-render (the image in the upper left) is available as well. This just needs to be expanded and adjusted so that going back and forth to Library isn't as necessary as it is now. Ideally, you'd import in Library, to your metadata stuff there or in other related modules, choose the image group you want to work on using filters/folders/collections/find, then go to Develop and work on them until you are done.

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Library and Develop Module Photos Appear Different

I am using Lightroom 4.4 Dell Ultrasharp monitor is calibrated. I own and have been referring to Scott Kelby's Lightroom4 book for digital photographers. I recently took some photos of my daughters prom. She had on a beautiful reddish orange dress. I notice that the dress appears very red in the develop module, however, appears a bit more orange in the library module. The change is very noticeable between the modules. The dress also appears similar to the library module view (a bit more orange) when viewed on the web via Flickr utilizing Chrome, Firefox, or IPad. It also appears the same when exported to a JPEG file.
I have done some experimenting and have determined that this color change effect appears to be very noticeable utilizing the Adobe Standard Camera Calibration Profile. It does not happen (at least to a noticeable extent) with the others such as Camera Standard where the dress appears a bit more orange in both the library and develop module. I do, however, like the appearance of the Adobe Standard profile better and this happens to be the default profile as well.
I have also noticed that the dress looks more orange when Soft Proofing is enabled. The change happens immediately when the check box is enabled. Checking the box makes the photo appear similar to the Library module view. Enabling Soft Proofing does make noticeable that there is Destination Gamut Warning which mainly involves the dress which is the point of interest, however, there is no warning with the Monitor Gamut Warning. I am intending to place the photos on the web at this time via Flickr. I will be printing several later so will be worrying about the printer gamut at that time. But for now, I would like to get the photos on the web looking as intended.
Having the photos look so different in the Library and Develop Modules is very frustrating. I am hoping that there is a simple setting or fix for this problem that I am experiencing. Your assistance will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
-Mark

Hi Victoria. Thanks for your reply. Re the saturation of the yellows, an example of a photo which shows the behaviour is that of a sunflower shot in direct sunlight. So a typical bright yellow. The raw files are from a D7000, so I have several "camera" profiles to choose from in LR4, in addition to the default Adobe Standard. None of the camera profiles show a difference between Library & Develop. Also, the Adobe Standard profile only shows the described behaviour when yellows are present. I can find plenty of examples where the photos are identical between the two modules when there are no yellows in the shot. I doubt this is a monitor profiling problem, given that it affects just the Adobe Standard profile, however I will try re-profiling. My U2412M display is not wide gamut. I posted here because the issue I am seeing sounds very similar to the original poster's. We're both using Dell Ultrasharp displays, although that could be a coincidence. I'll see if I can get some screen grabs from my Mac and upload here later today. I'm on my Windows 7 laptop at the moment.
R
Update:
I have a pair of screen grab JPEGs from the Mac which I'm happy to share, however the upload here in the forum is limited in size. Any suggestions how I can best share the full size JPEGs?
Re-profiling hasn't changed anything. I'm pretty sure my profile is good. Ambient natural lighting, monitor warmed up, etc. Native white point used as always. The difference between profiled and unprofiled is very subtle. The U2412M appears to be pretty accurate at factory settings.
If I turn soft proofing on in Develop I see the less saturated image which matches Library. Turning it off again and the differences return.
LR4 on my Windows 7 laptop doesn't have the same problem. The screen on that is calibrated with the same Spyder3, however the laptop's screen is of a mediocre quality compared to the U2412M.
Found another thread where the poster is having the same problems with yellows, this time in LR5.
http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1265004

Sharpness between library and development module

for some reason, after working on photo and putting it back into library if i open the very same shot in development all the other new work will be present but the shot will look less sharp. if i flick back to library it sharpens up again. The same happens a little differently in CS6. Here, if i zoom just a litle the shot sharpens to what it should be but if come back out it softens a bit.
Bit weird really
Can anyone help ? I'd like them all to look exactly as they are shoudl obviously...
Cheers,
S

Thanks for that Bob,
the really confusing thing is that the magnification appear to be identical between the library and development module while the development module is still softer....
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 11:01:33 -0700
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Subject: sharpness between library and development module
    Re: sharpness between library and development module
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The general rule is that sharpening will only appear correctly at 1:1 in Lightroom, or at 100% in Photoshop. Any other magnifications are just a simulation of what the pixels would look like if you could see them all, i.e. not accurate. Bob Frost
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LR 5 slow in Library and Development module

Hi,
Used LR 5's trial version for a month and then bought full version last week. Withing 2-3 days of useage, started experiencing time lag to import, view, edit and export images. Even a simple exposure correction takes couple of seconds lag !!
Any solution to this issue?

Thanks for that Bob,
the really confusing thing is that the magnification appear to be identical between the library and development module while the development module is still softer....
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 11:01:33 -0700
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: sharpness between library and development module
    Re: sharpness between library and development module
    created by bob frost in Photoshop Lightroom - View the full discussion
The general rule is that sharpening will only appear correctly at 1:1 in Lightroom, or at 100% in Photoshop. Any other magnifications are just a simulation of what the pixels would look like if you could see them all, i.e. not accurate. Bob Frost
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Color shift between Library and Develop module

Hi,
I recently noticed a color shift between in the image when going from the library to the develop module. Yes, I know this is mentioned in the FAQ, but I did not find the solutions given there to be satisfactory.
Let me explain what happens: I have taken Photos with my Canon EOS 300D, in Jpeg mode with Color Space in the Camera set to AdobeRGB. The photos I am talking about were taken with Tungsten light with auto white balance and have a distinct orange color cast. I use Windows XP and view my Photos on a LCD Display calibrated with the Pantone Huey system. The Lightroom Library Module and Photoshop CS2 both display the original image almost identically (there are no changes applied inside Lightroom or Photoshop, I view the original image in both applications). Photoshop is set to use the Adobe RGB Color space as its working Color space, Softproofing is switched off. However, when I switch to the Develop Module, the colors (especially the orange hues) shift very noticably toward pink. I can only assume that the Colorspace conversion or maybe some implicit soft proof used differs between the modules. So, to restate the problem: If I switch back and forth between Library and Develop, without changing anything and in 1:1 view to avoid errors introduced by different zooming methods, the colors shift quite drastically back and forth.
I have to say that this is really quite annoying. The whole point for me to use the develop module is to use it to make adjustments to the colors, and for this to work properly I have to see the same colors in both modules and in Photoshop. There is no point in correcting a pink color cast away in Develop that is not even there in either the library module or Photoshop (and that would then have a stronger orange tint because I tried to counter the pink tint in develop).
So this leads me to the final question: Is it possible to tell Develop to use the exact same color settings as the Library Module? Or is there another way to compensate for the color shift?
I hope I was clear in what happens and what I tried to do. If it helps I can gladly provide a sample photograph that clearly illustrates the point.
Thank you in advance for your help,
Daniel

Thanks for your comments, Don and Fred. I hope that this issue will be worked on soon.
Fred, I have set the Preview Quality to High, but it doesn't seem to make any differences concerning the color shift. I have investigated this matter further by now and made the following observations:
*The color shift is a lot less noticable on my laptop (the laptop screen is also color profiled). On my laptop the change is more of a subtle shift in contrast than in color. This might be caused by the smaller color gammut of my laptop display though.
*I have uploaded a testimage so that others can check if this shift occurs at their workstations too - after all, it might be a misconfiguration of my color management software, though I doubt that (because Adobe already states that library and develop render different previews). I would be interested if the color shift I describe is noticable at other workstations too. The link to the testimage: http://www.danyx.com/colorshift.jpg (permission to use the image to test the color reproduction is of course granted hereby).
Thanks for your help, I hope Adobe will listen soon,
Daniel

Why is the image on my screen changing when I switch between the library and develop modules?

I've noticed in the past couple of days that I will be refining an image in the develop module, feel I've gotten it the way I want it to look, and then switch back to the library module to export. When I do so, I notice the colors are quite different than they were just a second ago in the develop module. When I switch back to the develop module, it goes back to the way it looked in the develop module. How might I fix this?

Is what you see in Library the original, camera-embedded preview or is it just a messed up version of the LR-rendering? You can test this by making a significant change to an image with the problem (Exposure -4 or Saturation +100) and see if the Library Preview also darkens (or the colors saturate) significantly or not. You might also try explicitly telling LR to recompute the Standard then the 1:1 preview to see if either of those show up in Library.
If the Library view never shows any LR adjustments and is always the camera-embedded JPG preview or a LR-preview from some days ago that never changes no matter what you do in Develop, now, then your Previews cache is likely corrupted and the entire should probably be deleted so LR can rebuild them. The previews folder is called catalogname Previews.lrdata and is a subfolder of where your catalog file (.lrcat) is stored. You can location your catalog by going to the General tab in the Catalog Preferences and clicking the Locate button. You should exit LR before trying to delete the Previews subfolder and make sure you’re not deleting the catalog or backups folder, just the folder with Previews.lrdata in the name.
If the Library view just shows a different-looking version of the LR adjustments then perhaps something is wrong with the display-driver or the monitor’s color profile.

In Lightroom CC images look different in Library and Develop modules. After output, images do not appear as they do in Develop.

As above.

Mac OS X 10.9.5 has a color management bug that can lead to colors appearing different in Develop and Library: Jao's photo blog: Serious color management bug in Mac OS 10.9 "Mavericks" . See also: Jao's photo blog: Further quantification of the Mavericks color management problem and Jao's photo blog: Color management in Safari is broken in Mavericks too. Sorry for all the links to my blog, but this bug really annoys me and it bugs me that it hasn't been fixed all these months that Mavericks has been out. This can lead to color shifts especially in the deep tones. You can sometimes work around it by turning on soft proofing and proofing to adobeRGB or sRGB. Adobe could fix this but they haven't so far. Apple could fix it too, but they haven't until now. They fixed some code that lead to Aperture working correctly but Lightroom still has the problem.

Image appears different in Library and Develop modes?

I have an image that appears different depending on whether it is in the Library Module or the Develop Module. Only this one image does this. The develop module version is the one I want to work on in Photoshop. However, when I click on "Edit in Adobe Photoshop CS3" the resulting tiff that opens in PS has an appearance that matches that of the Library module version of the image. It makes no difference whether I click on "Edit in PS CS3" from the Library or Develop module, the tiff always matches the Library Module version of the raw file.
Any ideas what might be causing this?
Thanks.
J.

How are you calibrating your monitor? The only real difference between the Library and develop module is that the Library module shows a preview that is generally stored in the adobeRGB color space. The Develop module uses a color space based on prophotoRGB primaries and can encompass any color your camera can capture. It is possible that your green falls outside of adobeRGB and gets clipped in the library preview, while in the develop module it shows them. This is only possible to see if you have a wide gamut monitor, or when your calibration software generates a perceptual rendering intent. If you export and you do not use the prophotoRGB color space, you will loose these colors.

Lightroom 6 difference in color in Library vs Develop module

Hello,
i have recently installed LR6 and converted existing LR5 catalog. I have an issue that in Library module, all pictures looks yellow (like wrong color balance) and in Develop module they look correct. When i export a picture into JPG file it also looks correct. But the color difference between Library and Develop modules is huge with Library shifted into yellow tones.
Does anybody know what to do?
Best regards,
Pavel

Hello,
i have recently installed LR6 and converted existing LR5 catalog. I have an issue that in Library module, all pictures looks yellow (like wrong color balance) and in Develop module they look correct. When i export a picture into JPG file it also looks correct. But the color difference between Library and Develop modules is huge with Library shifted into yellow tones.
Does anybody know what to do?
Best regards,
Pavel

White Balance: Library versus Develop modules

I don't understand why the WB controls in the Library versus Develop modules differ as to choices. Sometimes I work with JPEGs rather than RAW and then in Libray I can chooose shade etc, but not in the Develop module.
Is there a theoretical reason for this or a design hiccup?

There probably shouldn't be specific choices in QD for JPEGs either. This is because JPEGs don't have an absolute WB reference like RAWs do. If you shoot in daylight and select daylight WB, you'll get an entirely different WB than if you shoot in tungsten and select daylight WB.
In other words, LR has no way to know the starting point on a JPEG since it isn't encoded in the file.

I own LR and Develop module has been disabled---asking for me to renew membership??

I purchased Lightroom in 2013 (not Creative Cloud subscription). I recently purchased a new computer and downloaded LR to that one. I have LR registered under my Adobe ID and its listed under "products" that I own, I'm signed into LR with my Adobe ID on my desktop. When I downloaded the program, I used my key I received when I purchased the program to get it up and running. Today I tried going into the Develop module and it says that it has been disabled and to renew my membership to get access to the Develop module again. I do not have the CC subscription...I own it. SOOO, I've been searching and trying to follow Adobe troubleshooting for a few hours and now I've decided to see if I can just get the answer here. Where can I input my key in the program on the desktop or get it to see that I OWN the program and do not need to purchase the membership? On my desktop CC icon, it says that my "trial version" has expired.
Thanks in advance!

LR Develop module shows "Disabled.Please renew your membership".You can reinstall the creative cloud application from the below link and then sign in with your Adobe ID(email address registered with Adobe)
https://creative.adobe.com/products/creative-cloud

Lightroom 5 differences in image with library and develop

HI, i am new to this forum and light room so maybe this is somewhere. however i am having some issues with my images been different in the develop mode and the library tab. this is also affecting what is exported, with it been the library version not the developed version. mainly it is that the noise reduction and sharpening is not been shown in the other views. i have tried a bunch of things but nothing seems to work. the shots i have noticed it on were shot at ISO 800-1600 and varying shutter speeds of 3seconds and above.
if anyone has any expereince or and answer/solution to this that would be awesome. this is something that is very frustrating to have happened with this product
thanks

Keith_Reeder napsal(a):
Dave Merchant wrote:
I've never heard of someone editing photos on an audio mixing desk.
And - you have to ask - what benefits would come from being able to do so (or otherwise controlling via Midi)?
Fast editing, controlling more sliders at once, using the mouse or tablet just for brush work or cropping, the rest with sliders or knobs(the better choice), you could look the most time just on the image and the changes, and have no need to look on the sliders.
And just that physically feeling..
Oh and actually like I wrote, solutions are existing, but mostly for Mac(Knobroom,PFixer), and it makes sense..the mapping under Paddy is pretty nice, an example image of a list is here. And you can set the functions for more "pages" on the controller, that means you can set really tons of settings. But Paddy "works" for LR 5.2 in a beta version.. You can find Youtube videos, mostly for the Mac plug-ins

Second screen Full screen preview - library and develop mode next to eachother?

Hello,
I got a two Display Setup.
I like to have the current selected Image in "Develop Mode" Fullscreen on the big display and all the sliders on the smaller second Screen togeather with the overview of the Library.
How is that possible?
Cheers
mARTin

I've seen that in the past with other versions of LR. It usually means that your previews database has got messed up. Deleting all previews, previews.db and root-pixels.db, and clearing the acr cache, and then creating new previews solved it for me. It took a day or two (65K previews)
Bob Frost

Need SRM Library and model question

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I am going to write SRM Certification Exam.
can any body help how to down load the SRM Library from internet,i wanted to prepare offline in home.
and also need some model question papers and material.
pl.send to my e-mail:[email protected]
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Allow drag to panels from single view library or develop module

In 1.1 it appears that you can only do it from grid view.
Running Vista Ultimate.
Thanks.

Try it from the filmstrip in Loupe or Develop.
Don
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