Docs for RAW fine tuning?

Anyone see any docs for the new RAW Fine Tuning feature? This seems very nice, but I'm not sure I understand what it's doing and when. What's Color Boost? What's Chroma Blur? When are these settings applied? IF I change the setting once does it change for all images that use the same setting?
There's nothing in the 400 page user guide about it.
Thanks,
Allan

Look it up in the next help topic, "Performing Image Adjustments". It's got a hole chapter on Raw Fine Tuning.
Basically, "Boost" is increased contrast up to a measure Apple thinks right for your camera. Works quite well. Chroma Blur gets rid of colour based noise (spots of the wrong colour, e.g. green spots on skin, which is typlical for digital sensors).
The settings are applied after you've migrated your Raw files to Raw decoder 1.1 which you can do by right-clicking on the image and then selecting "Migrate Image". (you can also select all of your images and do the same thing via Aperture's menu... which saves a lot of time).
You can change any of these settings and save it under a new name.
Enjoy and
Cheers,
Karl

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