Documents folder on Desktop and a question about trash

Hello all. My previous experience has been on Windows PCs, and as a result, I make assumptions and get frustrated on my new Macbook. I was trying to organize some of my files in the Documents folder, and at one point my errant clicking and dragging caused a folder to appear on the desktop for "Documents." Based on my previous experience with Windows, I assumed that folder was a shortcut folder, and because I like my desktop area to be uncluttered and free of icons, I moved it to the trash without thinking anything of it. I continue to organize files in "Documents" under finder as if nothing is amiss. Lo and behold, I go to empty my trash later, and I notice that it is taking some time and says "Deleting 214 of 6517 files" which clues me in to the fact that it is deleting a LOT of things, not just the one or two extraneous short cut icons I thought I had thrown in there. I hit "Stop Emptying Trash" and took a look at the damage. Many of my files in "Documents" got deleted. I moved the "Documents" folder out of the trash and on to the desktop. My questions for anyone kind enough to answer is this:
1. Is there ANY possible way for me to recover those files? Are they really REALLY gone? If it were Windows, I would know where to look, but because I am new to this OS . . .
2. What should I have done to remove this darn icon from my desktop? I know its always said that "everything is so intuitive on a mac" but I disagree. Especially when you have moved over from Windows. The contextual menu that comes up when I click on the icon does not allow me to "delete this shortcut." How can I delete this from the desktop but still retain the few files I have remaining?
Any and all help is appreciated. Have a great day. Thanks - b

Hi, werty. Welcome to the Discussions.
By the numbers:
1. See my "Data Recovery" FAQ for comprehensive advice that may help you with this problem.
2. Based on what you describe, it sounds like you dragged your Documents folder to the desktop. Generally, the files and folders that appear on one's desktop are actually files and folders within your Home > Desktop folder. By default, your Documents folder is also within your Home folder, at the top level like the Desktop folder, i.e. Home > Documents. You should have moved the Documents folder back to the top level of your Home folder.
Mac OS X aliases to objects — roughly equivalent to Windows shortcuts to files and folders — are created by dragging an object while holding both the Command and Option keys. See "Mac OS X 10.4 Help: Creating an alias." An alias to an object displays a curved arrow in its lower-left corner — a badge — to differentiate itself from the actual object.
If you merely drag an object from your Home folder to your desktop, it moves that object from its former folder to the desktop, i.e. the Home > Desktop folder: it does not create an alias to that object unless you also hold Command-Option while dragging.
Finally, you wrote: "My previous experience has been on Windows PCs, and as a result, I make assumptions and get frustrated on my new Macbook."While Macs are quite intuitive, there are some significant differences between Mac OS X and Windows and an associated learning curve. In some cases, the key to switching is, as Yoda said, that "you must unlearn what you have learned."
Since you are new to Mac, you will find my "Learning About Mac OS X" FAQ helpful. It lists a number of resources that you will find useful in your transition to Mac including books, online training, switching from Windows, and more.
Good luck!
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For someone inexperienced with Macs and inexperienced with iPhoto I cannot stress enough that Managed Library is the way to go. I understand there is comfort in seeing all those folders. But inside the Library that's all there is: all those folders, stored so that an inexperienced user can't grub things up!
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I organize my pictures by folders with the month and year.
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However, is your folder system date based? Then this form of organisation is a bit pointless in iPhoto when Smart Albums or the Calendar tool (Click on the wee magnifying glass in the Search Box) mean you can find the photos taken on any day, month or year at a click. With Smart Albums it's easy to find photos from specific range - say, June 3 to August 25, 2009 etc.
If your folder system is theme based - Xmas pics, Birthday pics etc, then you'll find Keywords are much more flexible, and can be used in conjunction with other criteria for making Smart Albums and searches.
6) This is very silly, but how do I uninstall picasa (I know how to uninstall on a windows but want to make sure I do things correctly on my mac!)
Drag the app to the trash and empty it.
Regards
TD
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I've had a few "I wonder..." things noodling in the back of my head for a while now about the Linux kernel, and how Linux works in general. Yes, I could just install LFS to answer them, but I like knowing what I'm doing before I do it and asking is typically an awesome way to do that
So, here are a bunch of questions. Answer what you know, speculate on what you think. Feel free to answer just one or all of them.
Also, if you feel inspired from these questions or just this thread's very existance and want to ask questions of your own please do!
Compilation questions
When I compiled Openbox recently, it linked such that I can't move it out of my home folder, and additionally, when I run /usr/bin/openbox, I end up executing /Users/dav7/openbox/openbox-3.4.7.2/openbox/.libs/lt-openbox - why is this, and how can I make openbox... not do the weirdness it's currently doing?
Library questions
- In Arch's initramfs image, klibc is named "klibc-EcjIkSXUojTZn3VHC4IxoFgq9Kg.so", at least it was at my last check. Why is this? Why/how do other programs link with this crazily named copy of klibc? How does library linking work actually? How did the linker know to use this klibc name and not something else?
- How do I specify that I want to link against a specific library, for example if I want to link a program against klibc when I have glibc installed? Do I have to create a chroot jail to convince the linker to see only the library I want it to?
- Can I build the Kdrive X server with klibc, or do I need ulibc or glibc? How much (read: what "class" or category of programs) will klibc link against without problems, especially in the X area? Will I need ulibc to build anything X-based?
-dav7
Last edited by dav7 (2008-10-12 12:06:24)

Er, I'm pretty sure I'm not an expert, so my "answers" will be almost surely incomplete/incorrect.
1) I suppose by "compiling openbox" you mean the standard "./configure; make; make install" procedure. Well, the "./configure" step lets you choose various paths related to the final product. Crunch through "./configure --help". "./configure" script creates/modifies all the makefiles, so that they reflect your choices of paths, and that's what's going to be used.
2) - dynamic linking is manages by /sbin/ldconfig - so have a look at 'man ldconfig'. that's how linker knows what's available.
- with klibc, I think you need to have the whole toolchain (binutils, gcc, klibc) adapted to klibc available to compile against klibc. Then it's a matter of compiling with those tools. I think it's impossible to use the standard gcc and binutils to compile against klibc.
- I have no idea about what compiles against klibc. I think not too much, and with heavy patching. I'm pretty sure you can compile some version of x server against uclibc (that's what openwrt does). Have a look at some small distros (slitaz, dsl) on how are they doing it.

Just bought a Macbook Pro and have questions about sound libraries

I just bought the lower end Macbook Pro 200 GB Mem/2GB Ram. I installed Logic Studio on it. I have about 129 GB memory left. My question is, how does anybody deal with installing Libraries. On my main desktop, I got a separate hard-drive which holds about 150 GB of sound Libraries which I pretty much use. I could not even put this on my Macbook. I would like to work on my files on my new Macbook but would have half of the sounds missing if I work on an existing file (transferring from my Desktop to my macbook) How does everybody else deal with this. A separate ext HD?
Thanks

Hello - It seems to me that there is a total mess on Logic Studio Installer that doesn't allow one to install the Jam Packs onto an external drive, if that's where you keep your sound libraries. Why is no one from Apple responding to this post, probably because they know what a dogs dinner the installer is. The run through on the install insists on a system disk to load all the listed software. My Ibook has no room for all the Jam Packs and other audio data, so I did a basic install of just the program packages, invested in a 250GB firewire portable for my libraries. I then tried to install the Jam Packs onto my external drive but have to go back to the main installer, which although is aware of the application install, insists upon my system drive as the disk to use even when you tell it to install media only. Incredibley bad, bad, bad error Apple. The only work around I can find is to actually install the Jam packs then move them to the external hard drive and then use the browser for access - I have no idea as of yet how this will affect other operations. And why is there not just a simple setting ( like all good programs PROTOOLS , ABLETON LIVE ) where one selects the path for the Library. Still can't believe how bad an error can get onto a finished product from Apple. Kinda totally disgusted, Is this just Garageband with some Bells & whistles? I've been editing sound for film for the last 10 years, so I know my way around, but this is just stupid. If anyone knows the answer , as this is a question as well as a rant please do respond. Maybe someone from Apple ?

MiFi2200 and some questions about VZAccess

I've been using my 2 MiFi2200s as modems in my desktop...I recently bought a Laptop and I use them as modems on it as well. My question is, why will it show me charging status on my Desktop...but not on my laptop? I have 3 cards total (2 activated) but 2 frequently tell me they're critically low only by blinking the red light...It won't tell me via VZ on my Laptop. Is it a setting i'm missing, or just a quirk? Thanks .
Also, 1 last thing...I have 2 separate wall chargers as well. Neither charger seems to charge the battery...it only seems to charge when they're plugged into a computer. Is it just really slow or are both of my chargers no good?

That's 2.4.. G network would only work in this case since you don't have N cards on your computers
Check out this article so you know what security you can set on your computers, some devices are not WPA capable so you might want to think about that too.
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