DOT + Ultra-Turbo, which CPU vcore setting?

I've got a P2.8C which is running @ 3080Gzh during full load with DOT+Ultra-turbo enabled.
What CPU vcore setting should I use to be sure that it runs stable? I currently have 1.52 and it runs quite stable but prime95 starts to report errors when my CPU temp reaches 69-70C. The CPU fan is a zalman 7000 alcu running @13400rpm.
Would increasing vcore help?

13000 RPM??? I have the same cooler running at 2100rpm and I don't think I can get it to spun above 3000rpm.
BTW, what memory are you using to get it to run at ultra-turbo?

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Enabling Ultra-Turbo fails, resets to slow

MS6728 mobo, rev 1.9
Intel P4 3.0 FSB800
1 gig dual channel DDR
S-ATA Seagate Primary Master
P-ATA Seagate Primary Slave
Zalman ALCU cooler with bracket fan
With the P4 2.0 I had in my mobo until this morning I could enable Ultra-Turbo without difficulty, admittedly under rev 1.3. Now I have 1.9 and my new CPU if I attempt to enable Ultra-Turbo, I save and exit, my PC reboots and the BIOS then defaults to slow. No problem setting Turbo (it's running now), but I can't use Ultra.
Can anyone point me in the direction of which settings may need revising?

Not changed the voltages at all, so the default setting after the BIOS update is still in effect.
edit - just checked, 2.5v (text in yellow) for the DDR, speed is auto-determined.

Guys what do i have to do to get turbo or ultra turbo to work

iam able to use fast but not turbo or ultra turbo. here is my specs and settings can you guys please tell me what i need to change in order to be able to use turbo and ultra turbo settings.
P4 2.4GHz HT 800MHz fsb
2* 512mb verto high speed ddr 3500
Radeon AIW 9700 pro
MSI NEO 2 FISR
ThermalTake pure power 480watt psu
ThermalTake Xaser II case with 5 fans
Zalman CNPS5700D cpu cooler
memory SPD 2.5,3,3,6
do i have to change the memory manually iam confuse or is it that one of my components isnt able to handle the stress?
thx

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Originally posted by cruzlink2
guys i was thinking since iam having such a hard time finding the right settings to be able to use turbo or ultra turbo, should i go for a manual overclock?
what do you guys think?
and if overclock is better how should i go about doing it?
my specs are:
P4 2.4GHz HT 800MHz fsb
2* 512mb verto high speed ddr 3500
Radeonmemory SPD 2.5,3,3,6
AIW 9700 pro
MSI NEO 2 FISR
ThermalTake pure power 480watt psu
ThermalTake Xaser II case with 5 fans
Zalman CNPS5700D cpu cooler
I have been asking the same question for awhile get a few good inputs on the subject and different settings but nothing set out properly
I still amd trying to get the best config for my bios
Dynamic Overclocking: ?
Performance Mode: ?
CPU Ratio Selection: Locked
DRAM Frequency: ?
Spread Spectrum: Disabled
Adjust CPU Bus Clock (Mhz): ?
DDR Clock (Mhz): ?
Adjust AGP/PCI Clock (Mhz): ?
CPU Vcore Adjust: No
CPU VCore: ?
DDR Power Voltage: ?
AGP Power Voltage:?
DRAM Size 1024 MBytes
DRAM Frequency ?
FSB:DRAM ?
CAS# Latency ?
RAS# to CAS# ?
RAS# Precharge ?
Cycle Time (TRAS) ?
# of memory modules 2

Unable to activate ultra-turbo on 865PE N2 FIS2R

Hi all. I cannot turn on ultra-turbo mode under any circumstances whatsoever, though I really rather think I should be able to, given my ram. Specs are as follows:
P4 3.0 @ 200 (800) mhz fsb
2x 512 meg Kingston HyperX PC4000 DDR500 modules: 3-3-4-5-8 @ 400 mhz (2.8v)
865PE Neo2-FIS2R
MSI FX5900-TD256 @ stock
400w powersupply
Western Digital Raptor 36GB and Maxtor diamond max plus 9 120GB SATA hard drives
BIOS - optimal settings, firewire and usb enabled.
WinXP pro + SP1 + all latest Windows Updates
So. Whenever I try to turn on ultra-turbo, the bios chimes in to tell me that I've assigned too aggressive memory timings--even with the timings at the least aggressive setting possible. Moreover, it then goes on to monkey with my memory timings. I've tried pretty muchg everything I can think of. Oh and FYI, I've got dynamic overclocking off at present (read: ultra-turbo doesn't work even with dynamic overclocking disabled)
Oh, and since I'm fairly new to this, I'm not entirely sure I've got the order for the timings down, the order I used above was cas latency, Ras precharge, ras to cas, dram precharge, dram burst length. And sometimes, for some inexplicable reason, the bios won't let me set the cas to 3 (at which my ram is rated) so I'm forced, at times, to run at 2.5.
Any help with these issues would be greatly appreciated.

Nothing simplistic about the question. This topic is the poorest one in the manual. It gets off to a bad start by calling normal performance "Slow". If you can post and run stable at Fast then you should find the the Intel PAT (MSI MAT) feature is enabled. You can check this using CPUID under the memory tab. I think, but I haven't seen benchmarks, that the improvements seen using Turbo or Ultra Turbo over Fast are marginal. If you can run stable at either of these settings great; if not its not a big deal, particulary with your CPU. With your hardware you should be able to overclock by 10% with stock cooling.

Check this out: stable Ultra Turbo @ FSB below 218!

Hi guys...
After a little frustating because my Twinx LL can't run MAT stable @ any settings (FSB below 218), and confirmed by many of thread that nobody (ok, some claim they can) can't run Ultra Turbo @ FSB below 218... I have a new hope with Twinx XL! (and maybe other similar new 2-2-2-5 series).
Finally I found a great match for my 865PE board! Twinx XL! (haven't try another 2-2-2-5 great series from OCZ, Crucial, Mushkin, & Kingston)
Now I could run Ultra Turbo MAT below 218 stable with this board. See this:
FAILED:
- FSB 218, timing 2-3-2-5, Ultra Turbo: (CPU-Z confirmed PAT on)
--> Bandwith: 5423/5413
--> Cache & Memory: 10007/11.1
--> Prime95: seconds... not stable...(just like my old Twinx LL)
- FSB 218, timing 2-3-2-5, 2.9v, Ultra Turbo:
(CPU-Z confirmed PAT off --maybe by set CAS to 2.5, however it run on CAS 2-- )
--> Bandwith: 5347/5337
--> Cache & Memory: 9928/11.5
--> Prime95: 3 hours 13 minutes... not stable... but pretty enough, huh?
(however, I'm not to sure how to make CPU-Z said PAT off while MAT ON & FSB
STABLE:
- FSB 209, timing 2-2-2-5 (!), Ultra Turbo: (CPU-Z confirmed PAT on)
--> Bandwith: 5233/5223 (hey, this is only with FSB 209!! overcome 875 boards? hehe...)
--> Cache & Memory: 9847/10.6 (see, how fast the speed factor is!)
--> Prime95: 42 Minutes (ok, it's not enough, but I don't have time)
- FSB 216, timing 2-3-2-5, 2.9v, Ultra Turbo:
(CPU-Z confirmed PAT off, just like 218 above)
--> Bandwith: 5294/5318 , 5314/5317 , 5287/5293 , 5325/5282 , 5324/5317 , 5318/5325 (ok, rate it yourself )
--> Cache & Memory: 9847/11.4 , 9851/11.3
--> Prime95: 6 hours (how 'bout this?)
So?
Am I achieved good scores? Remember, it's only PC3200... Please, give me feedback!
(note: I have updated my sig, see those XL's have come in)
nb: I trade my LL with XL and only pay $15. I think it's okay.
O yeah, and I could run FSB 233, 2-3-3-6 easily, and more I think, as Corsair (and review sites) said it could run to FSB 250. Yeah however Corsair is not alone, OCZ, Kingston, and Mushkin already released their RAM with Samsung chip, which perform similar. Also Crucial with Ballistix (using their Micron chip) give a great performance according to http://www.anandtech.com.

hi, NovJoe
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I can say that it's at the correct level that you can obtain with PC3200 RAMs.
I don't think so. As many couldn't run stable MAT @ ultra turbo with FSB below 218, am I right?
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I wouldn't say that it's good but you can achieve more with higher speed RAMs
Emm. Yes, with more heat of course . I just try to get the max with the minimum. And I can get that bandwith (around 5300) only @ FSB 233, which brings my CPU to 3.26 Ghz. Compare this with FSB 218, 3.05 Ghz. I think it will be cooler.
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Next, since your thread is mainly on Overclocking,
No... my point isn't overclocking, but only get stable Ultra Turbo MAT (below 218 of course), which is a great feature (can get this board overcome some 875 system). And many 865PE Neo-2 users want to use this feature (including me).
But, it's ok, up to you, Sir!

Problem on fast, Turbo, Ultra Turbo. bios 1.5 still buggy.

Ok, I'm using my 875P neo(1.5 bios) as a realtime video editing system, I have realtime Video out both on Analog and DV (Firewire) with a Canopus card DV Storm 2.
First i thought my canopus card is broken because I have Flickering and nothing than digital blocks out of the DV Output which is really strange but more important i cannot use this. :(
I gladly found out that's not my Storm card but the Ultra turbo setting , i changed to fast, turbo, No Luck and a bit of system instability.
Everything will Only function properly when set to Slow mode X( voilá problem Ficksed! :] but that's a ridiculous performance in slow mode compared to ultra turbo! (benchmark shows write performance less than a 2.4Cghz processor an another brand mobo)(I'm using 3.0Cghz) 8o
I think i'm not the only one with strange problems like this, damn MSI you got some work here.
I hope MSI will Improve a lot with a new bios update if not i will choose an other brand mobo.

Dragak,
There is no guarantee that Ultra-Turbo setting will run 100% stably on ALL SYSTEMs where as each system consists of different sets of hardware. But there are some cases and their system specs are superbly well to support Ultra-Turbo setting. If all system can run at Ultra-Turbo, then there will be no Slow,Fast and Turbo mode anymore!
Based on what factors make you think that your Canopus card can support those faster settings?? Why don't you try to take the card off your system and go with the Ultra-Turbo or Turbo mode.

Who can run in ultra turbo with low cas ramm. read pls..ill explain

This doent pertain to overclocker casue if you go over 219 fsb on 800 fsb pcu it disables mat..
Who here with an 865, 875 mobo can run 2 or 2.5 cas timings in ultra turbo with less then 215 FSB.
If so which brand ramm and what bios and board do you have .
I am about to order ramm thats iss 3-3-3-8 but i would rather get the corsair xmas which is 2-3-3-6 if id be able to run it in ultra turbo..
what do you think and all responses definately appreciated.....

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Originally posted by billy
and i might be wrong is that is you disabled speed from ayto it disables mat but im unsure..
All i know is that before i flashed my bios on my old pcb, all was wel in ultra turbo ..
After the flash couldnt do it anymore regardless of old flash and msi on the phone for 2 hours....
I think the 875 p has some hidden number which it calculates as being dafe or not, if your memory regardless of what timings you set it at reads lower then it thinks safe you will crash at boot.
Thats why i am making all this hype about memory . I cant afford to rMa belive you me i want that corsair twinx1024-3200cpt thats listed in the ramm module spec. Only thing is how to tell if its version 1.1 like they ask . I dont think version 1.1 is abtainable. this is referring to the ramm list for the neo 875 fisr pcb 2.0 . Also it lists ocz but which one do i get..
From what you are telling me, is anyone will work and to get2-2-2-5 if i can , but i think there might be a catch to this when the boards reads it. Im unsure. If so how to fake out the bios and let your manuel timings stick.
On my last boord after the flash , even when i flashed back i after loading default and running onece i restarted and set them to 3-4-4-8 and if i even went from slow to fast i could not boot. This only hapened in dual mode. In single i could hit ultra turbo....
remarks lol... If you know a way around this... also if you can tell me about that corsir ramm listed in the fisr's list. i can buy it but how do i know its v1.1 lol...
no, MAT can be still enabled with SPD disabled. for example i have the performance mode enabled, but i set my RAM timings manually. but i said that before, you must have missed it...
i didnt understand what you were trying to say here, your english is pretty weird. 2-2-2-5 timings can be done only with the new Corsair XL memory, and only under 215MHz. this kinda "is" the ultra turbo mode i guess, because you cant tighten the timings anymore.
and as that other guy said, 2-3-2-6 rated memory is always a safe bet as far as compatibility is concerned, from Kingston, Corsair or whoever. the new BIOS version dont have any problems with that from my experience.
as i said, i dont understand your other questions, but i hope your memory issue is solved.
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I'm not going to bother reading what everyone else posted, I have that 2-3-2-6 rated memory from corsair, and I run ultra-turbo. N/P
with SPD enabled or disabled? im just asking because i cant set MAT to ultra turbo with SPD setting the memory timings. Turbo is the best i can do here.

KT4 Ultra-BSR multipler & CPU volts on XP2400 dont work!

Well after several atempts and clearing the cmos several times the multipler dosnt work on XP2400 and when you go to change the cpu voltage from auto it comes up with strange symbols not a voltage to select! so iam stuck at 141fsb and CPU voltage set to auto i can change the FSB only except lower or to 141, why is it asus and epox can change the multipler and we cant on our MSI KT4 Ultra, iam disapointed and who wouldnt be after all others can change there multipler!
any surgestions would be welcome and i think MSI should address this problem with a bios update and also look at the voltages for CPU as symbols mean nothing to me! ?(

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Originally posted by MSIconvert
Hi, well bluetooth lol, ok load bluetooth software from your instalation cd rom, dont load the mobile phone software as it causes trouble, then all i did was load the nokia pc suit that came with my nokia 7650, turned on blue tooth on my phone and then asked the phone to find bluetooth, problem it couldnt, but my pc found the phone, you have to make up a password and identify yourself over the blue tooth network, the software says it will conect auto, but it dosnt, you have to conect the 2 devices manuly every time, its faster than cable conection, but one problem i have found is that disconecting can cause problems, 1 out of 5 times when you disconect your pc loses the bluetooth conection and the only way it can find the hardware again is to unplug the arial device inside your case at the usb plug, reconect and it finds it again, a real pain i gota say, so much so i cant be botherd to use blue tooth anymore as iam fed up of takeing the side of my pc case off to get it to reconize the hardware again, but it does work when its all working and the usb finds the hardware, i hope this helps just a little but its not so easy to set up and the software isnt that easy either, maybe an update in the future will make it easyer to use.
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Oops, I meant how did you connect the module to the motherboard?? I can't find anyway in which to connect it directly into the mobo, and I didn't get a cable with mine. (I still haven't got to the software side of it yet - the hardware has been my prob for the past few weeks, no-one seems to be able to answer me).
Hope you can tell me how to do it (pref with some pics or something coz I'm starting to think my retailer sent me the wrong board).
Thanks!

Fast ? Turbo? Ultra turbo?

Hi folks,
In the bios section, I found option of slow, fast, turbo and u-turbo. but when I check ram timing by using CPU-Z or something like that, there is no difference between slow, fast, turbo.
Btw, the bandwidth increased by set to slow -> fast -> turbo. I found this result from the Sandra.
Same ram timing but different bandwidth.. what does this mean?

That's the entire point of having those settings, to increase bandwith. Bandwith is the amount of data that the memory on your mobo can recieve within a certain period of time. That's why the label is usually MB/s (Megabits per second).
And these settings: Fast, Turbo, and Ultra Turbo actually tighten the timings although CPU-Z does not recognize it.
But basically, the bigger the bandwith the better.
Also remember, that can be catagorized as overclocking. So make sure you know you can stress your parts.

K9N2GM-FIH CPU VCore correct manual settings not possible

Hello,
I have got the uATX K9N2GM-FIH Board and recently switched from a 4850e Athlon to a Sempron 140.
I am on BIOS Version 3.6.
After changing the CPU I cleared CMOS with the jumper and menually re-entered all settings in BIOS.
BUT:
The CPU Vcore is stuck at 1.35V, I wanted to lower this setting -> The voltage range from which I can choose is from 0V to 0.4V
This does not make sense...
I already contacted MSI two weeks ago via the official contact page but I did not get an answer.
Can you help me?
regards cdc42

Because the voltage defaults to 1.375V at the moment, if I set up any of the wrong values from which I can choose (0V - 0.4V) then the CPU vcore goes up to 1.45 V, this is way to high.
As I mentioned earlier this PC is used as a VDR as my SAT receiver, so it runs severeal hours a day in my living room. It should be as silent as possible, so undervoltiging/underclocking is my goal. I had to switch from a Athlon 4850e to the Sempron 140 because of the faster HyperTransport of the KUMA Sempron (VDPAU NVIDIA HD decoding), but that is another story...
With the AThlon 4850e I could setup correct Vcore values, with the Sempron it is as mentioned above.
My problem is the bug in this BIOS!

Turbo (MAT) and Ultra Turbo (MAT)

What exactly are they doing at the board level to increase performance? Since its a memory bandwidth optimization, what are they doing to increase the bandwidth with these features?

SPD uses info programmed into the ram sticks to decide what settings to use for particular speeds. You can use a utility like Sisoft Sandra to see what is programmed.
Normal, Fast, Turbo and Ultra-Turbo are the performance mode settings. Fast and higher enable the PAT mode (see P4 Neo Unofficial Guide ). However, at FSB settings higher than 218, PAT becomes disabled. At settings higher than approximately 225, the 'lost' performance is regained. The settings themselves allow the bios to set progressively more agressive memory settings.
When you set the RAM speed to 400 instead of Auto, and set the CPU FSB at 225 or higher, a lot of ram that won't run in Ultra-Turbo at other settings is able to run.
As for the ram speed rating, it isn't the speed the ram runs at. It is the maximum speed it is supposed to be able to run at. When you set the ram speed in the bios, you are setting the speed it runs at when the cpu FSB is at 200. Increase the cpu FSB by 10% and the ram runs 10% faster.
Any time you increase the FSB setting, make sure you go to the AGP/PCI setting. It will be greyed out, but you can hit the enter key anyways. Then select the closest setting to 66/33 you can find. This will keep the AGP card stable and prevent data corruption problems with SATA drives.

Z87-G45. VCore setting ignored. Set to 1.147V but maxes out at 1.3V!!

Hi guys, first post here and I couldn't find any similar threads. I'm a complete noob with overclocking, but I had a 4.1GHz overclock on my i5-4670K with 1.147V (1.195V w/ -0.049 offset, adaptive mode) stable for over a year. All other settings were at default.
I reinstalled windows 3 weeks ago, updated the BIOS from 1.8 to 1.9 and the ME drivers. I didn't touch the overclock settings afterwards due to studies, but when I did try a few days ago, the vcore setting I enter in the BIOS seems to be ignored. Using the same settings as before the reinstall (1.195vcore, -0.049 offset, adaptive mode), it is reported by CPU-Z to be 1.28-1.3V during a Prime95 stresstest.
Unlikely factors:
-error in CPU-Z voltage reading = not likely as the temps are about 20 degrees celsius higher than they previously were (70+ previous, 95-99 current)
-prime95 = i used this same program to stresstest the CPU before the reinstall without similar issues
What I've tried so far:
- Changing CPU multiplier to 41x vcore to 1.147 without offset = 1.33V reported by CPU-Z (Picture shows these settings)
- Tried rolling back the BIOS version to 1.8 using MFlash = no change
The attached picture shows the settings, but the CPU meter temps are still 80+ as I only ran the test for 5 seconds for fear of overheating.
I hope there's a solution to this. I don't have much understanding of what controls vcore (bios, OS, ME, etc) so I don't know what else I can do to diagnose and fix this. If anyone could offer any solutions or help, I would appreciate it greatly.
Thanks for your time!
EDIT: I only used Command centre to show the voltage setting in the screenshot. BIOS was used to change settings. I might add that command centre has always crashed within half an hour of opening it, and thus I've never relied on it.

Hi again, just an update on my situation. I've effectively corrected my problem, but my OC settings are still not functioning exactly like before.
I reinstalled windows (not a system image restore) without installing any of the mobo drivers that liveupdate recommends. I can achieve a stable 4.1GHz OC with 1.168V (reported by CPU-Z). The only error is that my vcore is set to 1.195 (offset -0.049), which used to give a VID of 1.147V, not 1.168V.
Still, I'm quite happy that at least I can run a stable 4.1GHz overclock at below 1.2V, which didn't work when I started this thread.
Now the only question left, since I purposely didnt install most mobo drivers, is whether I need to install the Chipset drivers or "management engine" drivers listed on my motherboard's support page? (http://www.msi.com/support/mb/Z87-G45-GAMING.html#down-driver&Win7 64)

Problems errors ram with cpu vcore change on k7n2 delta2 platinum

hello
i'm a french new owner of k7n2 delta2 platinum and i got something strange.
I have 2*512 PC3200 cas3 of kingston value ram with voltage 1.75 instead of 1.6v running in dual CAS 2.5/3/3/8 at FSB 195 like the cpu : 2500xp barton.
With occt and memtest86+ i'm stable with a CPU vcore at 1.725.After 195 the computer starts but not really stable. So i put the cpu vcore at 1.75 to put higher fsb and then i get thousands RAM errors with memtest. i tried with cas 3/3/3/11 and it was worst. On the bios B6 i tried with different settings : agressive, optimal, 1/1, auto, manual, patch ddr or not...and always the same. My PSU is 450w and i've 4 HD 1player 1 burner.
Of course i'm happy to reach 195 but i feel disapointed to be stop with this problem of vcore/ram

Quote from: osnavi on 23-September-05, 11:36:11
"...So i put the cpu vcore at 1.75 to put higher fsb and then i get thousands RAM errors with memtest..." I would say it's not the v. core but the CPU o/c. that gives that errors, as it make not sence to increase v.core only for itself.
Oh yes it does
The CPU and memory work hand-in-hand. If one is out of sync it can cause the other to start spitting out errors.
You are overclocking and that more of a scientific art, not an exact science.
Components react differently to an entire list of variables, especially the CPU/memory.
What you are trying to do requires trail and error testing however I agree the Kingston memory is holding you back at this point with the clock you are pushing
I would go for the most stable FSB settings that allow Dynamic Overclock to be enabled to SERGEANT before I would go for ultra High FSB because you will peak the system at its highest performance curve when you need the boost, and I would bet money that peak would be higher than any strait FSB over-clock you can hit stable.
Psychologically allot of people think their systems are not running the highest performance it can unless they set the system up at the highest FSB/multiplier and that is simply not true with dynamic overclocking enabled and correctly tuned with the rest of the components.

K9N Platinum vcore setting

i have the K9N Platinum MB, with an AMD 4200 X2 cpu, i have tried to overclock
this chip and have been successful to 11x240 settings with vcore 1.45V, if i try to go
any higher the system just shuts down,what is the max vcore(set in "cell menu") that
i can go with this cpu/MB combo, i have the newest bios, v1.60...?
also anytime i try to manually set the memory timings, the board won't boot...i have OCZ PC2 5400 DDR2 memory
the Gold edition with heat spreaders...can you make some suggestions for setting the timings?
thanks
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TURBO or ULTRA TURBO with NO PAT= Higher Stability

Hi all, I was playing around with a computer I am building for a friend with the Neo2 board and 2 sticks of ddr400 Micron memory and I discovered something:
If you enable Turbo or Ultra Turbo (didn't try Fast) and manually set the memory to 400mhz, then PAT is NOT ENABLED, BUT you still get a very considerable increase in memory bandwidth (according to sandra).
In turbo I got about 4800 mb/s and in Ultra Turbo I got 4910 MB/S. What's the point you might ask? Well, the computer did not crash at all while playing any game (UT2003, Call of Duty) or while benchmarking (ran 3dmark01 in a loop for 2 hours, and 3dmark03 as well).
If I set the memory frequency to AUTO and set Turbo or Ultra turbo, PAT would be enabled but I did get occasional crashes while playing games (crash to desktop, not BSOD). However, memory bandwidth is like 100mb/s or so higher with PAT (not worth it).
BTW, I did all of this with Bios 1.9
What do you guys think?

I have tried the FSB at 218 and turbo setting then PAT is on
but when playing games get the bsod sometimes.
With FSB at 220 & Turbo setting PAT is off! mem auto PAT is on! 400 PAT is off! When 219 FSB then pat mysteriously turns itself off !
i think this is due to the limitation of the chipset ?
So PAT on Then PAT off bit of a gimmick i think, can't see it taking off unless it stays on when oc is implemented otherwise it will have to be off so no point in having it!

DOT + Ultra-Turbo, which CPU vcore setting?

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