Doubts on BPM

Hi, one of my clients has deep interest in BPM.
He'd like to manage processes over different system like IBM-Machines, SAP-Systems, simple File-Server etc.
These processes should be controlled via SAP XI, especially via BPM (BPE).
But i have some doubts if it is really that simple like u read in SAP-Description.
I have no experience on that issue so can someone who has deep knowledge of BPM give me his opinion on this topic?!
br Jens

Hi,
If its for a client you need to present BPM usages with a high level example, which involves different system. As you mentioned (IBM-Machines, SAP-Systems, simple File-Server etc.).
So better have a look at the documentation and there are some good blogs on BPM with advantages and limitations.
Please have a look at below links,
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/servlet/prt/portal/prtroot/docs/media/uuid/4cc81a71-0701-0010-f187-c29c9bf92841
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/servlet/prt/portal/prtroot/docs/media/uuid/daea5871-0701-0010-12aa-c3a0c6d54e02
/people/krishna.moorthyp/blog/2005/06/09/walkthrough-with-bpm - Walk through BPM
/people/siva.maranani/blog/2005/05/22/schedule-your-bpm - Schedule BPM
/people/sriram.vasudevan3/blog/2005/01/11/demonstrating-use-of-synchronous-asynchronous-bridge-to-integrate-synchronous-and-asynchronous-systems-using-ccbpm-in-sap-xi - Use of Synch - Asynch bridge in ccBPM
https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/weblogs?blog=/pub/wlg/1403 [original link is broken] [original link is broken] [original link is broken] [original link is broken] - Use of Synch - Asynch bridge in ccBPM
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/3c/831620a4f1044dba38b370f77835cc/content.htm
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/62/dcef46dae42142911c8f14ca7a7c39/content.htm
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/de/766840bf0cbf49e10000000a1550b0/content.htm
I am sure you would get a over all view in BPMs.
Hope it helps.
-Prasad Babu.

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I have a requirement where in some 10 files are placed at a location. The interface needs to consolidate/collated these files and generate a single file and send it to the target system after transformation.
The reverse process also needs to be done in some other interface. (Splitting a single file into 10 files)
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Hi,
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2) runtime exceptions
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/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2005/09/09/xi-alerts--step-by-step
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3) Recipient Determination.
Alert can be triggered in different ways.
1) Triggering by Calling a Function Module Directly.
/people/bhavesh.kantilal/blog/2006/07/25/triggering-xi-alerts-from-a-user-defined-function
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5) Triggering from a Workflow.
6) Triggering from CCMS with autoreaction.
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/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2005/03/13/alerts-with-variables-from-the-messages-payload-xi--updated
/people/community.user/blog/2006/10/16/simple-steps-to-get-descriptive-alerts-from-bpm-in-xi
8) Triggering alert by configuring a rule from RWB.
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/people/aravindh.prasanna/blog/2005/12/24/configuring-scenario-specific-e-mail-alerts-in-xi-ccms-part-2
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/people/aravindh.prasanna/blog/2006/02/20/configuring-scenario-specific-e-mail-alerts-in-xi-ccms-part-3
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Doubt in BPM.

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Hi,
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Doubt in BPM monitoring

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/people/siva.maranani/blog/2005/05/22/schedule-your-bpm
/people/krishna.moorthyp/blog/2005/06/09/walkthrough-with-bpm
/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2005/06/11/xi-how-to-retrieve-messageid-from-a-bpm
/people/arpit.seth/blog/2005/06/27/rfc-scenario-using-bpm--starter-kit
/people/sravya.talanki2/blog/2005/08/24/do-you-like-to-understand-147correlation148-in-xi
/people/michal.krawczyk2/blog/2005/09/04/xi-do-you-realy-enjoy-clicking-and-waiting-while-tracing-bpm-steps
/people/udo.martens/blog/2005/09/30/one-logical-system-name-for-serveral-bpm-acknowledgements
/people/sudharshan.aravamudan/blog/2005/12/01/illustration-of-multi-mapping-and-message-split-using-bpm-in-sap-exchange-infrastructure
/people/kannan.kailas/blog/2005/12/07/posting-multiple-idocs-with-acknowledgement
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BPM and GP

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I have some few doubts in BPM and GP
Please can you share any document which tells the differences between BPM and GP?
I know GP advance is BPM,,...But what all the added functionlity is there in BPM?
When we go for BPM?and when we go for GP?
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Hi Chandu,
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i) This tool enables you to easily and quickly build processes that span multiple systems, including both SAP and non-SAP systems.
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In Integration Repository, I have one send step in BPM.
I am sending one Abstract Interface from BPM. While creating Receiver Determination in Integration Directory,
I am unable to find the message interface which is created in Integration Repository.
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Hi,
https://www.sdn.sap.com/sdn/weblogs.sdn?blog=/pub/wlg/1822. [original link is broken] [original link is broken] [original link is broken] [original link is broken] [original link is broken] [original link is broken] [original link is broken] [original link is broken] [original link is broken]
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RFC (Sync) - File (async) always via s/a Bridge?

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Hey Thomas..
well the concept of BPM comes, only when u have a syn/asyn communication...
when u say a RFC, which is a async, u need to have a BPM as the file is an Async.
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BPM - doubt in N:1 mapping of IDOCs

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1.HOW will the XI engine MAP the CREMAS_package to CREMAS.CREMAS03 at the end of BPM PROCESS ?
2.In BPM we have Transformed the individual Idocs into a IDOC Package BUT then at BPM->R3 Receiver Determination WHY are we mapping the CREMAS Package into Individual CREMAS Idoc ??
3.Does the R3 receive the IDOCs as a Package OR does it receive it as individual Idocs ?And when we say a Package does it mean it will contain 1 Control record & multiple Data Records(EDID) ??
4.If the R3 receives the IDOCs as a PACKAGE, THEN How does the R3 System separate the Idocs into Individual Idocs ??
Is there any specific configuration in the partner profile at the R3 side to process A IDOC package ??.
5.Also when I compare Posting Function Module IDOC_INPUT_CREDITOR and IDOC_OUTPUT_ORDERS , It seems that IDOC_INPUT_CREDITOR    can process multiple Idocs at a time while IDOC_OUTPUT_ORDERS CAN process only ONE IDOC at a time.Am I right ?)
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Hi Arun,
You dont need a BPM for ur requirement. All you need to do is IDOC Message pacakages. where the IDOC are sent as a single package. here is the link to the page that details on hwo to do idoc packaging.
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/99/2653429392ab53e10000000a1550b0/content.htm
you also refer to Michals weblog on IDoc pacakaging. But the approach i have jsut mentioned to you is more efficent and the one suggested by SAP. Michel was supposed to write one more weblog describing this approach.
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Hi Experts,
                 I had a doubt on Sync-Async bridge using BPM,
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3.How we have to count no. of receiver determinations if we have 2 receivers and 1 receiver system? If so what is the no. of receiver determinations in case of 1 receiver syst and 2 receiver systems?
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... Sync-Async bridge and Recievr determination are not related....
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see here what is the Use of Synch - Asynch bridge in ccBPM
/people/sriram.vasudevan3/blog/2005/01/11/demonstrating-use-of-synchronous-asynchronous-bridge-to-integrate-synchronous-and-asynchronous-systems-using-ccbpm-in-sap-xi
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<b>3.How we have to count no. of receiver determinations if we have 2 receivers and 1 receiver system? If so what is the no. of receiver determinations in case of 1 receiver syst and 2 receiver systems?</b>
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A doubt in triggering BPM

Hi All,
I have a scenario where IDocs would be posted from R3 randomly to a non SAP system.
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BPM Scenario Design Doubts

Hi Expert,
My source system (3rd party) calls a RFC service, based on some credentials the RFC program triggers a text doucment in the zip file format on a specified location.
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Anticipating your valuable inputs..
Warm Regards

Hi Asha,
Could you explain me your scenario with clearly....As i understood that third party system is hitting xi and xi will communicat to the receiver system. In the receiver system we have RFC. The RFC will give you only the messae as in the form of response....if you wan to send the zip file I guess we should send first to the one receiver system (file system) fromt there we can send to the third party system.Of course we have to use BPM to achieve this.
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Thanks and Regards,
Chandu
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