Downgraded 2 Macs from Leopard to Tiger. Kernel panics on both now.

I'm prepping a couple of G4's to sell on Craigslist. I downgraded a 1.67 GHz PowerBook G4 from Leopard to Tiger using the original disks that shipped with the laptop. The other Mac was a dual 1.46 GHz (FW800) PowerMac G4 tower - again, from Leopard to Tiger, but using a retail copy of Tiger. Both machines were running perfectly prior to the downgrades, albeit a little slow - which is why I chose to downgrade them both to Tiger. The installations went smoothly, but now they BOTH have kernel panics within a few minutes of logging on.
I've reformatted both discs using the secure 7-pass option, have swapped out the memory, and have run Disk Utility, Disk Warrior 4, and Tech Tool Pro 5 without so much as a hiccup in an attempt to find a problem with the hardware - although actually finding hardware errors on both machines would have been extremely coincidental, if not downright creepy.
I haven't run the Apple Hardware Test in loop mode yet, but I must admit that I don't believe the problem is with the hardware - particularly since both machines were is use right up until the downgrade. I'll be taking a look at the panic logs on both machines next, but thought I'd post this just in case anybody else has had the problem (and hopefully found a solution).
Anybody...anybody?

HotHead:
I haven't run the Apple Hardware Test in loop mode yet, but I must admit that I don't believe the problem is with the hardware - particularly since both machines were is use right up until the downgrade
Doesn't seem to be likely. On the other hand, you have reformatted and secure erased the drives, and have run powerful diagnostic tools on the directories with nothing showing up, so a software based issue seems just as unlikely.
I'll be taking a look at the panic logs on both machines next
That will be helpful.
cornelius

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