DPM 2012 R2, Scale-out and secondary replicas

Hi all,
TechNet says scale-out protection for VMs and DPM chaining isn't supported - is this still the case for 2012 R2?
Our scenario: We have numerous clusters with a ~dozen Hyper-V (2012/2012R2) nodes each, and lots of running VMs. We need to use DPM scale-out to have multiple DPM servers protect the
clusters, but also need off-site replicas for the data sources.
Cheers

Hi,
There is no change in DPM 2012 R2 with respect to secondary protection for scale out Hyper-v. Consider backing up to Azure for offsite solution.
Backing Up DPM using Windows Azure Backup
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj728752.aspx
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Hi,
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Hi All,
When installing manually protection agent DPM 2012 SP1 on new target computer, I get "Microsoft Software License terms" to accept...
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Mike, if you're around any
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Stephane.
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Thks Geaux-Tigers,
it works like a charm :)
I also found the DPM technet link: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj650955.aspx
DpmAgentInstaller.exe [/q] [<DPM server name>] [/IAcceptEula]
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I am close to giving up!
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The answer was to make the dpm server computer account a member of the domain admins group.
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Hi Sven,
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