Dragging From Smart Albums Has No Effect

It appears to be impossible to drag versions from a smart album to, for example, a book or web gallery. In order to get such a version to appear in the target gallery or book, it appears to be necessary to drag from the a project or regular (not smart) album.
Have other people had this experience. This is an irritating bug.

Hi Roy,
I am able to easily drag an image from a Smart Album to a book album or a web gallery.
If you continue to have trouble with this, you might want to delete the Aperture preference file (after noting your settings in Preferences) and/or rebuilding your Aperture Library by holding down Option and Command while starting Aperture. You'll want to backup your Library first.
BTW, it seems prudent not to call something a bug until it has been reported by several people.
-Karen

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Making a new album of the contents of a Smart Album with about 600 images resulted in the SBOD, a lot of time and disk activity and the creation of NEW VERSIONS of all the files populating the new album. This, of course, also doubled the number of files in the original Smart Album, since the keywords used are a match. First thinking it might be something I had not read in the manual, I grabbed the book and could not find this behavior listed…..so….my expected result is a new album with the identical contents of the Smart Album selected as the source.
I am creating a presentation for a client whose work is in multiple projects in a ~150GB library. All images are heavily keyworded, so making Smart Albums of specific elements of the work was easy. My intended workflow to get through this mountain of pix was to make Smart Albums of specific elements, then make New Albums from each, manually edit and reorg these albums individually, then combine my edits into a single book file.
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2) At the top level of this “main” folder, I made about 20 Smart Albums to presort the main elements I wanted to include. I made the first Smart Album by clicking the icon in the top bar. The rest of the smart albums I made by duplicating the previous Smart Album, then changing keyword selection. I would select the new keywords I wanted, then de-select the ones that were from the album I had duplicated. The reason I did it that was for speed, there is little delay in displaying the items that were already searched for, and a significant delay in going from new. Anyway, somewhere in this process, I decided to organize my workflow further, so I created a new folder (calling it Smart Album Selects) at the same level as the Smart Albums, and then dragged the Smart Albums into the new Smart Album Selects folder. Still, no problem.
3) Later in my session, I went to create another new Smart Album, and this time I did so already in the Smart Album Selects folder. When I opened the HUD to select the keywords, the Keyword area and check box were greyed out!!! Weird, I though….so I simply duplicated an existing Smart Album from my Smart Album Selects folder, opened the HUD, and sure enough, all my keywords were there. I changed the keyword selection, and went on with work. During the day I did this same operation 3 more times, making 4 Smart Albums created the same way.
4) OK…here is the strange behavior. To make my new custom album from the Smart Album selects, I selected one of the Smart Albums, and clicked on the New Album icon. Got the expected dialog, make with 1 image or all images, selected all images, and instead of a new album popping up moments later, I got the SBOD, and the Activity Monitor said Aperture and my hard disk was cranking away. About 4-5 minutes later, Aperture became responsive again, and had created a new album. However, upon inspection, the album contained NEW VERSIONS of all the images that were in the Smart Album, about 600 files.
5) I went back and clicked on a different Smart Album in the same spot in the hierarchy…but it was one of the first ones I had created (meaning I built this BEFORE reorganizing into the Smart Album Selects folder). Tried making a new album again, with 1 image, worked fine, popped up instantly. Tried selecting 4 images, same thing, worked fine. Selected All, made album, worked fine.
6) Went back to the Smart Album I had the problem with, this time selected 4 images, make New Album, and sure enough the New Album had NEW VERSIONS of the pix again…OK, I went back to the top of my folder hierarchy, my “main” folder and made a brand new Smart Album by clicking the icon, and selecting keywords. Made a new album from that, no problem, popped up instantly, no new versions.
7) I then re-made all my Smart Albums at the top of the folder hierarchy, and they all work fine creating new albums. I got back to the task at hand…hopefully there is enough data here to let the Aperture engineers find this problem…Assuming, that is it is not just me misunderstanding some element in the program.
Sorry for the length, but has anyone else run into this??
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Nope, all the images at this point in my workflow have been unstacked, with the non-picked members of the original stacks discarded.
Now that it seems I am not the only one who has witnessed this behavior, what I am really trying to find out, is what is the definitive proper operation of this according to the Aperture group at Apple.
Assuming I have opened a Smart Album with images displayed, and no images are selected.
Is the correct behavior:
1) Selecting New Album makes a new Untitled Album (very quickly) with the identical contents of the Smart Album....OR...
2) Selecting New Album makes a new Untitled Album (slowly) with NEW VERSIONS of the contents of the Smart Album. (Also, depending upon the number of images, typically brings up SBOD and makes Aperture unresponsive until it is complete.)
Now what I expected to happen was #1, as it is what happens when I select New Album when a project is selected. Given Apple's human interface creedo for intuitive operation, I think this is the most intuitive choice, because I can't think of a good reason I would want to double the number of versions of all files in an album, unless I expressly told the app to do this.
Could an Apple guy provide the definitive answer, please...
Thanks in advance for your help.
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I need to create details -- blown-up portions -- of several hundred photos. Many of the photos have three areas from which I would like to create details. I want to retain the originals as originals. I want the details to remain in whatever event the original is in. It would be helpful to have the details not inherit the keywords of the original. What is the best way to do this in iPhoto?
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- - Pressing "c" in Edit mode brings up the crop mode (as long as Keywords aren't show and you don't have a keyword assigned to "c") _with an area of the photo already selected. Is there any way to either not have an area initially selected or to with one key press get rid of the "pre-selection"?
- Sometimes I don't know until I look at the photo that I want details. Ideally I'd like to be able to, in Edit view, select an area of the photo with the mouse cursor, and with one key-press duplicate the photo and crop it to the area selected.
I am willing to consider using an external editor.
Thanks!

- My originals are in Events. I have tagged the photos from which I want to create details with various keywords. I have Smart Albums set up for keywords. Is there any way to duplicate a photo from within a Smart Album ("Duplicate" is grayed out)?
No. However, if you search the Library on the Keyword (using the Search Box) you'll be able to duplicate.
- - Is there any way to select a photo in a Smart Album and then go to Events or Photos view and have that photo selected?
No. Bu again, using the Search Box, with 'Event Titles' selected in the View Menu will do something similar.
- Once I have the photo selected, I want to quickly select the area of the detail and create a duplicate and crop it to the selected area. Is there an easy way to do this?
Define'Quick'. Here's the quickest way I can find: Crop the pic to the detail. Duplicate the cropped pic and the Revert to Original on the first one. Result: your original pic plus a cropped version. However: you will lose +all previous edits+ on the pic doing this.
- - Pressing "c" in Edit mode brings up the crop mode (as long as Keywords aren't show and you don't have a keyword assigned to "c") _with an area of the photo already selected. Is there any way to either not have an area initially selected or to with one key press get rid of the "pre-selection"?
No and no.
- Sometimes I don't know until I look at the photo that I want details. Ideally I'd like to be able to, in Edit view, select an area of the photo with the mouse cursor, and with one key-press duplicate the photo and crop it to the area selected.
Isn't that the same question as the 'Quick' one above?
I am willing to consider using an external editor.
What's nor clear from your questions is the actual detail required. Are these several hundred pics all the same dimensions, with the detail in the same location each time? If so, you could probably create a Photoshop action to automate the process for you. But if you don't have photoshop or have never created an Action then you might well be faster to do the job by hand.
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TD

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I started experimenting and adding the kid's initials as another keyword, then adding that as a sort preference... the altered ones seem to be showing up (or, at least I have more images than before). So, somehow my original keyword entries are not being recognized. I am in the process of "Updating Previews" hoping that somehow this will "refresh" or "restore" the recognition of the Keywords. Would repairing Aperture permissions or database help?
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I feel confident that I have set up the Smart Folder correctly. I believe this is a glitch in my software because I have many Smart Albums set up in various projects and I just discovered that none of them are working properly. I have a Smart Album that contained over 1000 "Fox" images... it's now empty. I have an "Elk/Deer" Smart Album that now only has 20 images (instead of hundreds). I'm not sure where the corruption happened but I know it was recent. The way the program is picking and choosing the images to include/exclude in a Smart Album has no rhyme or reason.
I don't know if restoring my library from the back-up will make a difference or if my back-up (updated recently) is also corrupted.
I can tell you this for sure: When you have over 70,000 sorted throughout your system... the prospect of starting over is daunting.
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Teeloo
Welcome to the Apple Discussions.
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*Why is artwork not showing on my iPod when it's there in iTunes?*
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