Dreamweaver Layout Mode

Aloha,
I'm trying to create a template in DMwvr layout mode that I
designed in photoshop. I have created two layout tables, and layout
cells for each of the elements. I'm having difficulty editing the
cell & table sizes. For example, on the left side of the page
where I have the navigation options (twelve separate cells) I have
edited the cell sizes in the property inspector to try and reduce
the amount of spacing between each of the options. The cells are
directly adjacent to each other. When I test the changes online,
there is no difference in the spacing or layout; the cells are
spaced as far apart when they were 40 pixels in ht, as when I
change them to 20 pixels in ht. So frustrating, any ideas!?
Thanks~

Hi Krista,
Could you provide a link or paste the code for the whole
page?
It's hard to tell from the snippet. It could be default
margins for the <p>
tags that are causing the space, or an issue with the col/row
spans. Might
even be something as simple as invalid code, for example in
the snippet
there's no closing table tag. Is it on the page?
There are definitely some issues, like cells with a height
different than
the image heights within different cells in the same
row...just not sure how
it's all connected without seeing the big picture.
Thanks,
Tim
"keeptheoceanclean" <[email protected]>
wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Whoops, sorry for the dbl posting, I don't think I
responded in the
> correct
> manner the first time!
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> Attached is a sample of the code from the navigation
cells, they're all
> identical. When reading the code line by line however,
the first
> navigation
> cell, "home" is written, and then is followed by an
empty cell where I
> will be
> inserting flash is the center of the page, and then
depicts 3 images/cells
> that
> are aligned on the right hand side of the page. These
three cells are in
> their
> own layout table. When I had them in the same layout
table as the
> navigation
> cells, although they looked fine in design view, when
tested online there
> would
> be significant spacing added in between them. The rest
of the navigation
> code
> then follows in sequence.
> Thanks for having a look, Krista
>
> <td width="179" height="22"
valign="middle"><blockquote>
> <p>Home</p>
> </blockquote></td>
> <td colspan="4" rowspan="13"
valign="top"><!--DWLayoutEmptyCell--> 
>
> </td>
> <td colspan="4" rowspan="13"
valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0"
> cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
> <!--DWLayoutTable-->
> <tr>
> <td width="180" height="120"
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http://www.reefcheck.org/petition/petition.php"><img
> src="IMAGES/images/images/webtemplate_new_14.jpg"
alt="boxfish"
> width="178"
> height="122" /></a></td>
> <td width="6"> </td>
> </tr>
> <tr>
> <td height="107" valign="top"><a href="
http://www.iyor.org/"><img
> src="IMAGES/images/images/webtemplate_new_15.jpg"
alt="iyor logo"
> width="178"
> height="118" /></a></td>
> <td> </td>
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  • I want to know critics about Layout Mode

    Hi,
    I want to know critics of Layout Mode feature in DW. Seems
    like a wonder tool to me, and apparently solves many of the
    problems i had when laying out pages, all you have to do is drag
    and drop tables or cells here and there and add content to them!
    Is there any disadvantage or inconvenience with this
    approach? Why isn't it the typical workflow in town (CSS seems to
    be the dominant approach, despite obvious more steps and workforce
    than layout mode).
    Thank you in advance for your opinions, i appreciate.

    Hello,
    If the web were static like print media, layout mode would be
    fine.
    In many graphics applications like Photoshop, you can drag
    elements (layers)
    around until you get your design exactly how you want it.
    Then, you simply save your design in whatever image format
    you'd like. All
    of the layers are merged into one, static image,
    All of the parts have merged into one element, no longer the
    multiple parts
    you were dragging around.
    When a user sees your image, either on a piece of paper or on
    their computer
    screen, it looks the same to everyone.
    Overall, it might be bigger or smaller in whole dependant on
    print size or
    monitor resolution, but the layout itself can't change.
    A web page, unless the page is one giant image, remains
    multiple parts after
    you publish it and some of these parts the user can change,
    such as text
    size.
    Any area of your design with text in it will look different
    on their screens
    than on yours, but the images won't change size.
    This is how the web works, and this is where layout mode
    fails.
    As you drag things around in layout mode, DW writes code to
    try to keep the
    elements exactly where you want them in relation to other
    objects.
    It merges cells which fills the code with colspans and
    rowspans, and it adds
    spacer images by the tens or hundreds in an effort to keep
    everything "stuck
    together" exactly where you dropped the elements.
    The more things your drag and drop, the more complex the
    code.
    When you are done, your layout looks like you want it to on
    your screen but
    behind it is code that is very fragile and cumbersome.
    With this code, if any part of your layout changes size in
    someone's browser
    (like a text area), everything else in the layout that is so
    tightly tied to
    it
    will be affected as well.
    This usually results in things shifting and not lining up any
    more, the page
    "breaking" and filling up with gaps and misalignments
    throughout the page.
    The one change ripples throughout the whole page, because
    every element is
    so tightly connected by the code Layout Mode wrote.
    In essence, Layout Mode wrote such stringent and unforgiving
    code that your
    design will only work reliably at 1 text size and 1 browser
    viewport size.
    Those sizes are the sizes your browser was set at when you
    designed the
    page.
    Think of it this way.
    You have 100 playing cards and you lay them out on a table in
    10 rows of 10
    columns each.
    You make sure all of the edges are touching.
    It's a nice, tight layout.
    On one of the cards in the center, you write some words in
    marker.
    If you saved this as an image, it would look the same to
    everyone.
    A hundred cards with all the edges touching and text written
    on one of them.
    If someone enlarges the image to read the text on the single
    card, all the
    other cards grow equally and the layout looks exactly the
    same, only bigger.
    However, if you saved this as a website and someone enlarges
    the text to
    read it, only the card with the text gets bigger.
    All the others stay the same size. But you wanted all the
    edges touching.
    You'd like to keep as many cards as neatly arranged as
    possible, but layout
    mode doesn't care about that.
    It's trying to keep every card edge touching, just like you
    did when you
    dragged and dropped them..
    What happens to the neat rows and columns of cards if the
    single card with
    text on it doubles in size?
    Cards all around it move and nothing lines up anymore. Gaps
    appear between
    every card.
    Changing the size of that one piece of the layout ripples
    through the rest
    of the page because of that really complex, cumbersome code
    Layout Mode
    wrote. It really wants to keep everything just like you
    wanted it, all the
    edges touching and it doesn't care what the layout looks
    like.
    If you had used standard mode instead of layout mode, the
    page would be
    dynamic in that the elements (the cards) can freely flow in a
    logical manner
    under different user's settings.
    When this single card doubles in size, the group of cards
    above wouldn't be
    affected. They would stay neatly arranged in rows with all
    their edges
    touching as would the group of cards below the enlarged card.
    You'd keep a nice, neat layout of cards with just one row of
    cards in the
    center taller than the other rows because of the single
    bigger card.
    Instead of being filled with gaps and misalignments all over
    the place that
    Layout Mode's code caused, the page would still look good.
    Layout Mode wrote such bad code as it tried to keep a layout
    static in a
    dynamic environment, that it has been removed from
    Dreamweaver.
    Here's more very good info, including a graphic example of a
    common problem
    Layout Mode creates for the unsuspecting....
    http://apptools.com/rants/spans.php
    There's something arguably as bad as layout mode you should
    also stay way
    from.
    They, too, offer the ease of drag and drop but at a huge
    price when you
    realize all the troubles and then have to completely rebuild
    your site.
    Please read this:
    http://apptools.com/examples/pagelayout101.php
    Particularly, the section entitled "The trouble with layers"
    (AP Divs)
    Take care,
    Tim
    "mballom3" <[email protected]> wrote in
    message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Hi,
    >
    > I want to know critics of Layout Mode feature in DW.
    Seems like a wonder
    > tool
    > to me, and apparently solves many of the problems i had
    when laying out
    > pages,
    > all you have to do is drag and drop tables or cells here
    and there and add
    > content to them!
    >
    > Is there any disadvantage or inconvenience with this
    approach? Why isn't
    > it
    > the typical workflow in town (CSS seems to be the
    dominant approach,
    > despite
    > obvious more steps and workforce than layout mode).
    >
    > Thank you in advance for your opinions, i appreciate.
    >

  • Alternatives to Layout mode?

    I'm currently doing an internship for a small company that
    expects me to create a website in a couple more weeks. I had
    virtually no experience with any web editing software initally, but
    I jumped right in anyway, and hoped I could learn dreamweaver as I
    went. So far I have been pretty successful, I found layout mode to
    be extremly easy to use, and things sped up quickly.
    Then it was time to polish everything, make all my pages look
    uniform, and make all the corners and borders look flush.
    At this rate I get about 1 page finished every 6 hours. I
    keep thinking I've fixed everything, but then I'll notice some
    element is pushed over by a few pixels.
    I'm tempted to just scrap the whole thing and start fresh
    with another building method. Because this is getting quite
    rediculous. Are there any good alternatives to Dreamweaver's layout
    mode? I don't think I'm skilled enough with HTML to get the look I
    want through hand coding, so I feel that idea is out. Any other
    things I could use?

    Better still:
    http://www.dreamweaverresources.com/templates.htm
    or www.projectseven.com
    or
    http://www.tjkdesign.com/templates/gallery.asp
    Nadia
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    "Alec Fehl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:f20024$arg$[email protected]..
    > You can purchase a design template which has all the
    layout and basic
    > images ready to go - you just add your own text and
    replace whatever
    > images you want. Lots of places sell these templates -
    many also offer
    > free templates.
    >
    http://www.dreamweaver-templates.org/
    >
    >
    >
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  • Layout mod grayed out  in dw cs3 

    The draw layout table/cell are grayed out since I began dw
    v.9 cs3. what could be the case?
    I used to the layout mode in dw 8 and its predecessors.
    your help please.

    heynock wrote:
    > The draw layout table/cell are grayed out since I began
    dw v.9 cs3.
    Please don't post the same question in different forums. I
    have answered
    this in the main Dreamweaver forum.
    David Powers, Adobe Community Expert
    Author, "The Essential Guide to Dreamweaver CS3" (friends of
    ED)
    Author, "PHP Solutions" (friends of ED)
    http://foundationphp.com/

  • PiP layout mode

    from prior threads i've seen that the PiP mode in WebCamera was given up on, and i can only seem to set side by side layout mode anyway. 
    is PiP mode going to be available in the spark version of LCCS? if not, can one the of developers let me know how i would go about subclassing WebCamera to ensure that the publisher's video is not added to the WebCamera layout?  i've tried a few things, such as setting sbsSubscriber.webcamPublisher = null, and removing the publisher's video forcefully from the display list, but it still seems to appear.
    or any tips on how i would go about allowing PiP mode to be set in WebCamera so that i can then muck about with the layout of the publisher's video manually.
    thanks
    adam

    >>Can somebody please tell me what I'm doing wrong?
    Using Layout mode. Seriously!
    Adobe removed Layout Mode from CS4 version of DW with good
    reason. This has
    been explained here dozens of times. Search here:
    http://groups.google.com/advanced_search?q=+group:macromedia.dreamweaver
    on
    "layout mode" for more info.
    Walt
    "kensteve" <[email protected]> wrote in
    message
    news:gfg6ri$ekl$[email protected]..
    > In layout mode using Dreamweaver 8, I created a percent
    based table. Into
    > that
    > I inserted a pixel based table. Into that I inserted
    cells to hold the top
    > banner, navigation, etc. Previewed in browser and all
    looked good. Then I
    > added
    > two column cells beneath my navigation. Added text to
    both cells and
    > styled
    > with CSS. Previewed in browser, and again all looks
    well. Now I'm trying
    > to
    > close off the bottom by running one cell beneath the
    above two columns,
    > but
    > even though the cells are tightly aligned, I get a space
    of about 1 inch
    > between the columns and the bottom row I have created. I
    even tried
    > re-creating
    > everything using nested tables instead of cells, and I
    can't get rid of
    > this 1
    > inch space. I don't have any cell or table padding added
    anywhere. I'm
    > pulling
    > my hair out ... been at this all day! Can somebody
    please tell me what I'm
    > doing wrong? Many thanks in advance.
    >
    >

  • Cells from layout-mode alignment

    I'm trying to use layout-mode table to build a site. Even
    though the cells are created inside a table they don't snap to the
    table and are all not aligned. How can I align them? How can I
    include code that allow me to control the exact position of the
    cells?
    I originally set up the width of the table to 800px and now
    is 816 (?) and I can't change it back to 800!!!
    Also seems like the cells move around all the time! Is there
    a way to lock them down to position? Thanks for your help here too.
    Thanks

    tanguera wrote:
    > I'm trying to use layout-mode table to build a site.
    Stop immediately. Layout mode creates convoluted code that is
    next to
    impossible to troubleshoot if anything goes wrong. The
    problems are so
    great that Layout mode was removed from Dreamweaver CS4.
    Learn to build
    web pages using conventional techniques. It takes more time
    when you
    begin, but saves a lot of time and frustration later.
    > One more thing, I originally set up the width of the
    table to 800px and now is
    > 816 (?) and I can't change it back to 800!!!
    That's one of the problems with Layout mode. Whenever you
    change
    anything, it's very difficult to control.
    David Powers, Adobe Community Expert
    Author, "The Essential Guide to Dreamweaver CS4",
    "PHP Solutions" & "PHP Object-Oriented Solutions"
    http://foundationphp.com/

  • Tables, layers, or layout mode

    I am not sure how I should start using Dreamweaver. I studied
    a 12 hour video tutorial and learned all the features but still
    don't know the best way of creating a layout. Tables are secure but
    difficult to use. Layout mode is confusing. Layers are great but
    where I place my layers is not where browers, current browers,
    place the content that is in the layers. So how should I proceed?
    Should I just use tables and learn to control them?
    John

    Don't start using DW on the basis of this video. Get some
    good HTML/CSS
    references and spend some time with them. That's what will
    answer these
    kinds of questions for you.
    > Tables are secure but difficult to use
    Without knowing HTML, anything on the page will be difficult
    to use.
    > Layout mode is confusing.
    Layout mode is an abomination. Don't even think of going
    there - not
    because it's confusing (which it is), but because its use is
    certain to
    break your page.
    > Layers are great
    Layers are the most difficult of all, and should be
    completely avoided until
    you get some sense of how the HTML comes together to create
    the page.
    > So how should I
    > proceed? Should I just use tables and learn to control
    them?
    Yes - that would be a start, but without a good basis in HTML
    and CSS, even
    that will be difficult for you.
    Try reading through the table tutorials at the DW FAQ link in
    my
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    "precie8877" <[email protected]> wrote in
    message
    news:etdek5$9qu$[email protected]..
    >I am not sure how I should start using Dreamweaver. I
    studied a 12 hour
    >video
    > tutorial and learned all the features but still don't
    know the best way of
    > creating a layout. Tables are secure but difficult to
    use. Layout mode is
    > confusing. Layers are great but where I place my layers
    is not where
    > browers,
    > current browers, place the content that is in the
    layers. So how should I
    > proceed? Should I just use tables and learn to control
    them?
    > John
    >

  • Layout Mode not working in T-Code SQVI for some GUI

    Dear Experts,
    It has been found that the Layout mode is not working in T-code SQVI in some of our users Systems . The Layout Mode is working perfectly fine in some system though. If we select Layout mode in some system it is showing screens the same as in Basis Mode.
    The GUI version is same in both the machines and both are having the same OS.
    GUI Version : 710
    OS : XP
    Kindly suggest if any settings needs to be done in System or GUI so that all the systems get the same interface of Layout Mode as required.
    - Jitesh

    Hi experts,
    Just wished to post the solution of the Issue raised by me...
    I just needed to update my GUI Patch level available at market Place.
    Thanks.
    Jitesh

  • Page layout mode - margins

    Hi,
    i would like to set fixed margins in page layout mode.
    e.g site layout with inside 1 cm and outside 2 cm.. simple.. - document margins doesn't work in layout mode.
    Rulers are no solution - i don't want to set or change rulers for every site and i can't fix the ruler correct anyway (e.g. only on .83cm and .79cm not on .80.. zooming in doesn't change it)
    thanks for your help-
    greetings
    Chris
    ah.. and.. of course.. help, manual, search function previously in use..

    thanks for your help - maybe i described the problem not exact.. my problem is:
    If you add a box in layout mode (doesn't matter whats inside - text, shapes or images) - you can drag the boxes out of the image, close the page border or with some margin to the border - you can align boxes to each other (horizontal, vertical...)
    But i didn't find a method for aligning all boxes with a certain margin like the document margins in text mode.
    Lets say i have a dozen boxes on a page and a couple of pages and i want to align all of these boxes with 2cm margin to left, top, right and bottom.. like the boxes in given templates.
    Do i have to drag all these boxes manually? - and what happen if i want to change my margin (lets say the printer calls you - it needs some 5mm more margin) - what i am looking for is something to set a certain margin i can align all boxes on and change quickly (.. like in text mode)
    Christoph

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