Dropped Frames / Odd Rendering

Hello,
As background, I recently completed a project (DVCPRO HD 720p) at a workshop on an iMac. I don't have the specs on the iMac but it's at least a year or two old. I wanted to continue working on this project at home so I have purchased a brand new Macbook Pro 2.0Ghz i7 - 8GB 1333 Mhz DDR3 RAM - AMD Radeon HD 6490M 256 MB. I've installed Final Cut Pro 7.0.3 and I'm using the same GRaid Mini 500GB (Raid 0 - FW800) drive I used in the workshop which is writing at 65MB/sec and reading at 76MB/sec. I'm now getting requests to render clips as well as dropped frames messages where I never did on the iMac. I've spent hours scouring forums (this one, Creative Cow, DV, etc...) and the only suggestion that's made any difference was pumping up the number of real time audio tracks on playback, but most of my problems seem video related. I've turned off the energy saver features, tinkered with render settings, memory, etc..., although I stopped short of modifying the RT Software Enabler file. I'm just not sure what else to try or if I'm even looking in the right place. I have to believe this Macbook should blow the doors off that iMac but maybe I'm wrong. Any help is appreciated.

OK, your problems are:
You are tying to edit with video that is in the H.264 codec.
H.264 is a recording and delivery format, it is not designed for editing, as it is very, very processor intensive.
Your clips are also in a different frame rate than your sequence 29.97 and your sequence is 23.98.
The source clips are a non-standard frame size 540 x 360.
It would be tough going for any computer to play this combination of incorrect item properties back in real time on a timeline that has a 23.98 frame rate and a DVCPRO 720P60 codec.
This is a perfect storm of miss-matched material.
Is your sequence setting because you have camera footage shot in that format? Is the camera material 23.98?
What format material do you have the most of?
What are you intending to do with this once you have completed it (Make DVD, post to web site, make Blu-Ray, etc.) ?
MtD

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Complete name                    : E:\_COMMON_\Test Clips\4137274.mp4
Format                           : MPEG-4
Format profile                   : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID                         : mp42
File size                        : 34.1 MiB
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ID                               : 201
Format                           : AVC
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Codec ID/Info                    : Advanced Video Coding
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Bit rate mode                    : Variable
Bit rate                         : 1 800 Kbps
Maximum bit rate                 : 4 506 Kbps
Width                            : 1 280 pixels
Height                           : 720 pixels
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ID                               : 101
Format                           : AAC
Format/Info                      : Advanced Audio Codec
Format version                   : Version 4
Format profile                   : LC
Format settings, SBR             : No
Codec ID                         : 40
Duration                         : 2mn 28s
Bit rate mode                    : Variable
Bit rate                         : 124 Kbps
Maximum bit rate                 : 139 Kbps
Channel(s)                       : 2 channels
Channel positions                : L R
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Resolution                       : 16 bits
Stream size                      : 2.20 MiB (6%)
Encoded date                     : UTC 2009-07-01 05:37:03
Tagged date                      : UTC 2009-07-01 05:37:04
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http://www.bulletsandbones.com/GB/GBFAQ.html#converttowav ?
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Cc 7.2.1 lags on timeline and program monitor, and drop frames.

Hello guys i have cc 7.2.1, and every basic operation i do on the timeline , moving clips, trimiming, scrubing on the timeline everything lags, its not fluid. When i do a simple scrubring on the timeline, the CTI takes sometime to get to the position i selected to do the playback.
But the worst part is the trimming or moving clips, it takes ages before i get an image on the program monitor. If i move a clip into a middle of 2 clips it takes ages to see those two little privews images with timecode, to see where to put it. So is very hard to edit like this.
Another odd thing is when in redering mode i select to use sofware only i dont have drop frames, when i chose cuda i have drop frames!!
I´m editing h254 from a 5d and 7d on externa llaccie usb 3 , have the a macbookpro 16g i7, iris pro and nvidia 750m, and a external samsung, via DVI.
Anny sugestions?
thank you.

Thanks for the Tips.
One thing that i discoverd was, when software only is enabled i can't edit. Everything as that lag i reported above, but i have no drop frames with external monitor.
Now comes the funny part, when i enable CUDA for my Nvidia gt 750m, i can edit !!! everything becomes almost normal, image on program monitor comes quick, and i can do trims. BUT i have drop frames on external monitor!!!!! so therefore i cant have a proper edit enviroment.
The only solution is to edit without an external monitor with cuda enabled, that way i dont have drop frames. I guess this is a syntom, that something is not working well on CC 7.2.1.
Thank you all.

Dropped Frames / Odd Rendering

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