Dropped frames / preview without rendering - A few questions

Hey guys,
I'm pretty new to video. I'm a photographer, but I've been getting into video a little bit recently. I shot a music video last weekend and I'm trying to edit it now. I was originally using these settings for my timeline based on the suggestions of a tutorial I found online. I'm shooting with a 5d mk ii, 24p.
System settings
RT - Safe
Video quality - low
Frame rate - full
I was originally using h.264, but I was encountering problems with dropped frames, and I read on here that it was better to use another codec so I switched to pro res 422. Now I'm having the issue that I'm unable to preview my video files without rendering, which is kind of time consuming and annoying. How can I set up my timeline to preview without rendering, while still using a supported codec?
Thanks, I'm sorry if this has been covered before. I've done a bit of digging and haven't been able to find any answers.
Nate

I just uncheck the warning at dropped frames box, and hit unlimited RT.
plays like rolling your body down a hill of nails, but I'm cool with that... B|

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