Dropped frames with HD

Is it possible to edit HD with final cut HD and not have any dropped frames?
It is impossible to get a smooth slow-motion clip let alone one in real time.
If there is a fix or some technich to prevent this?
thanks-
Jake
Mac Book Mac OS X (10.4.7) 2 GHz intel Core Duo. 2 GB RAM

Well, there are lots of things that can cause dropped frames, but I think it's pushing the envelope to be doing HD on a MacBook. Don't take this the wrong way - I think MacBooks are great machines. But HD requires a lot of computing power and even though the MacBook is qualified for FCE-HD, given the MacBook's Intel GMA video processor/shared memory and 5400rpm HD, I wouldn't be surprised to get dropped frames with HD material.
On the other hand,
-how full is your system HD
-are you using an external hard drive by any chance
-have you rendered your material or are you relying on RT effects
-have you mixed down your audio
-do you have any other apps running at the same time as FCE

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