Dropped iBook - won't boot up, help!

Because I'm an idiot, I dropped my beloved G4 iBook on the ground and now it won't boot up. I can get it to turn on, I get the startup chime, it gets to the blue screen with the grey Apple and spinning progress indicator...and that's it. The spinning disc just keeps on spinning indefinitely. No error messages, no kernel panic, nothing like that. Tried booting in Safe Mode...get the blue screen with grey apple, no spinning disc, and that's as far as I can get.
I bought it secondhand from a friend so no warranty or Applecare or anything like that. Is the hard drive okay? Could something have come loose and just needs to be snapped back into place? Did the motherboard get cracked? What could cause this type of problem, especially since I can't even get it to boot in Safe Mode, and what can I do to fix it? Is it even fixable? Have I lost all my files? Can I just take it to a repair shop and everything will be okay?!?!
helllllllp!!!! :'(

Hi from another idiot iMac user (I last posted when I spilled a glass of water on my desktop's keyboard...)
I dropped my iBook G4 on the stairs this morning Since it sort of slid down the carpeting I thought I'd be OK but it was just like the other used described - Apple logo, spinning startup icon, a few clicks and whirrs then nothing.
I followed your instructions below, and the Installer loaded. I have clicked on Introduction, agreed with the licensing, selected a destination (clicked on HD), but then I got a message "You cannot install Mac OS X on this volume without changing your install settings. Click Options to change settings. A newer version of Mac OS is installed."
I never got a Repair Disk button. I never installed newer software, unless it was an update that downloaded from Apple. What should I do?
Thanks!!!!
Mary

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Check out this Apple Knowledge Base article on what to do about a prohibitory sign at startup:
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So, problem solved, not in a conventional way but solved.
Well, actually, pretty conventional. The average life of an internal HDD in a laptop is approximately 3 to 5 years, and even if they survive beyond that they can fail suddenly or else continue with progressively degraded performance until they expire. The new HDDs have larger capacities and faster rotational speeds, both of which significantly boost performance.
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Spudnuty - I think you might want to hear this...
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It started having problems starting up so he copied all his important files, just in time as now it won't work at all.
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No need to apologize for the length. That helps a lot. You can tell the model, speed and size by lifting the keyboard (two tabs outboard of the F1 and F11 keys, make sure it's unlocked - that tiny sloted head between F5 and F6)
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How is mail different than that?
Mail keeps mailboxes in their own separate Finder files.
Home -> Library -> Mail
Home -> Library -> Mail Downloads
Notice also that Mailboxes themselves have their own folders in
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Addressbook keeps addresses for Mail in its own set of Finder Files.
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iCal keeps it in
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So, I suppose you've checked the link on the support page
http://www.apple.com/support/ in the lower right where you
can key in the computer's serial number, to see if you have
any AppleCare original coverage left...? The deal there is
with the extended optional policy, you get Support by phone
as well as Service repairs, for a combined period of up to
three years, total; including the first year's coverage.
If it is the matter of a few days, you could spring for the call
to AppleCare (pay per incident, out of warranty) and see if
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visor; if you can point (hindsight?) to an issue that may have
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Out of warranty repairs are often expensive on compact and
portable computers where the parts are very hard to get into.
To get the computer tested and so on would cost you money.
If it cannot be booted from the included Apple Hardware Test
on the included media disc, someone else will have to do it.
Can your parents help you get a refurbished iBook G4 1.33 12"
from the Certified page online? Then, get AppleCare w/ in 11 mo?
These are less expensive machines than the MacBook on budget
and are significant in value as Certified units direct from Apple.
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bit over 100 of them. At one time, I had over 40 in a room and
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