Dual 2Ghz G5 Problem

Hi,
Ive got a G5 which refuses to start up. The apple appears and the timer turns but it doesnt get any further. After this the fan turns on and gets louder until I panic and turn it off by holding down the front button.
Ive also got a 1.5Ghz powerbook. So i plugged them together using a firewire cable and started up the G5 pressing T.
I can backup the hard drive now which is nice. - i have enough room on the powerbook.
Is there any problem with me just duplicating the firewire harddrive image? It got me worried when it asked for a password which normally means somethings is being written system folder wise no?
I tried verifying and repairing the disk but it cant. Something about nodes being wrong... annoyingly im having to use this laptop in another room for the internet to type this message so i cant find out exactly what it said again but i could if it helps.
What should i do. Can i fix the problem? im a music producer and im recording an artist tommorrow. I was planning on using the G5... This powerbook isnt really powerful enough and breaks down in tears if I use it for music production because the tracks can be a bit FX heavy... I can as a last resort... one track is recorded at 88.2Khz for example so i doubt the laptop will be of use.
Is formatting and reinstalling the only option? I dont have the install disks for cubase which im using with me. (Sorry im not using logic.. although i have logic 6 and its very nice...)
Maybe its a really bad problem and it needs to be fixed hardware wise.?...! Something broke with it before... Cant remember what it was... A processor problem.. or motherboard or something... some big problem but its been fine for ages. It started going really slow about a week ago, .. really slow... so i repaired the permissions and that seemed to sort it...
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Mikey

Hello and welcome,
Yes there will be a problem if you cloned the Powerbook OS to the PowerMac, reason being the OS's are slightly different.
Have you tried hold c and booting from Tiger install disk #1 and selecting Disk Utility from the installer menu and Repair Permissions/Repair disk?
As you know you can hold the power button on the PM to boot and then hold the mouse button down to open the cd tray. (gently close it manually and reboot holding c to boot from the disk)
If this doesn't work try downloading Disk Warrior to your Powerbook and t booting the PM and run DW on it. This is a expensive option and since you have already gotten your valuable data off you might just want to skip it and do a Tiger install disk>c boot>disk utility >erase w/zero option and reinstall Tiger fresh and immediately update.
This will give you the chance to clean up your machine and optimize it, as well as fixing any other problems you might be having.
Once you have a perfected PM boot config, visit Carbon Copy Cloners forums and learn how to clone your boot drive to a external firewire 800/400 drive. This way if you have a future problem you can simply boot off the clone.

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