Dual 800 quicksilver AGP card

hi all,
Yesterday I picked up an old quicksilver G4 with the dual 800mhz cpus. i tried to install a nvidia geforce 6200 AGP that I have in my PC. it fit, but it was tight. I put the mac together and it would not power on, or even light up. I know the card works because it works great in my pc. I put the origanal card in the mac and it booted up like normal. I noticed that it's cmos battery is dead, could that effect it? I will use this mac more than the PC if i could get that card to work.
- Thanks in advanced.

I pretty well covered all the "how to" bases in my post above......
Here is a NVFlash how to:
http://themacelite.wikidot.com/nvflash-basics
The linked description page for the 6200 WANG also has the downloads link to the ROM page.
As for that particular card, well, there is a bit of the unknown, but it appears to be a reference design which simplifies things.
One may need to do some identifier editing in the ROM.
It's a "flash and see" kind of thing.
Might make an account at Strangedogs to access the Pro boards and see what others are doing for 6200's.
http://strangedogs.proboards.com/

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Are you able to boot the Hardware Test Disk that
came
with your system? The Extended Test does a
thorough
test of the video card.
If you buy a replacement card be sure you can
return
it if it doesn't work in your system I recently
bought a Radeon 9600 pro PC/Mac 256 Mbyte board
for
my Quicksilver dual 800. Once it got started it
worked fine, but I had to try various combinations
of
CRT vs LCD monitors on each port to get it
started.
Then it would drive any combination. If the
machine
is put to sleep or shut down, it would have no
display again. After a while I could not get it
to
start at all. A replacement card and a
replacement
DVI to ADC adapter have not helped. Everything
still works if I reinstall the original GeForce 2
MX
Twinview card. I have read about others having
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cards.
I suppose it would have been a good thing to mention
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