Dual booting win 7 and arch: cannot install grub to partition

I have read the arch wiki page on dual booting and several other sources on line, but I am still struggling to get this to work.
I am trying to dual boot arch and windows 7 on my lenovo ideapad s205. the machine comes with windows 7 pre-installed.
I shrank the win 7 partition and added an extended partition with 3 logical partions for /boot, swap, and /.
I am able to install and run arch by installing grub to the mbr. when I do this, though, I cannot boot windows. (the windows section of grub menu.lst is uncommented and points toward hda0,0. I have tried hda 0,1 as well).
I have also tried to use the windows boot loader to load arch, as described in the arch wiki page on dual booting. The problem here is that, taking this approach, I should install grub to my /boot partition, but when I try to do this, the installer only allows me to install grub to sda or sdb (the usb stick).
I have read that grub should be able to boot linux from a logical partition. Is this so?
Is there something wrong with the arch installer that it is not giving me the option of installing to a partition rather than the mbr, or is this  a problem with my partition scheme, or something else?
I am tempted to remove lenovo's recovery system, but on the other hand, I have already needed to use it several times while monkeying around with installing arch.
Thanks for any help.
UPDATE:
I now have the laptop dual-booting win 7 and arch. My solution ( adapted from here: http://helms-deep.cable.nu/~rwh/blog/?p=177) was to:
1. installed arch on the partitions I had created for it, but skipped the "install bootloader" stage.
2. in win 7, I downloaded and installed EasyBCD and made an entry for arch in it. I checked the option to "Use EasyBCD's copy of GRUB"
3. When I restarted, I got a grub error because the entry in grub's menu.lst was pointing at the wrong partitions for the kernel and root.
4. So I went back into the arch live disk, mounted the boot partition and edited menu.lst.
Now when I start the laptop, the windows boot loader starts and I can choose between win  7 and arch. when I select arch, grub4dos starts and gives me the option to start arch. this is not particularly elegant (nor is it fast), so I think this solution is less than ideal, but it does work.
I'd be interestd in any thoughts about what went wrong and what a better solution would be.
thanks.
Last edited by ratchet (2011-10-10 19:09:16)

ratchet wrote:II am able to install and run arch by installing grub to the mbr. when I do this, though, I cannot boot windows. (the windows section of grub menu.lst is uncommented and points toward hda0,0. I have tried hda 0,1 as well).
Is this a typo in your post or how it was in menu.lst? Surely it should be hd0,0 and not hda0,0? The entry I have in my menu.lst is as follows:
# (2) Windows
title Windows
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
makeactive
chainloader +1
What was yours?
Last edited by JHeaton (2011-10-10 20:18:22)

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    This is why I created another account. I am some arch lovin.
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    Almost everything is working correctly. I have a few issues that aren't affecting how the system is working but they still need sorting out.
    I'll do them one at a time but I want to know from the admins if I should start a new thread? Because in a way this thread accomplished it job i.e. win7 and arch dual booting in uefi system.
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    My gummiboot is not working on startup. I have to press f12 and use bios booting menu to boot. The problem with that is if I put Windows at the top of the boot priority the bios does not show F12 and F2 at the time of booting up so I can't access the boot menu. I have to boot into Windows and crash it by holding the power button and then the F12 options shows up and I am able to boot into Arch. If I put Arch at the top then Windows keeps restoring back to an earlier version due to start up options.
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    Opensuse(don't know why I created a completely new GPT partition table)
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    # pacman -S gummiboot
    # gummiboot install
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    Last edited by Archer61 (2014-06-11 13:48:56)

  • Dual booting Windows 7 & Arch...

    I have 2 SATA hard drives on my system...
    320gb & 500gb
    I have 6 gigs ram, triple core 2.1ghz w/256mb HD 2400 ATI pciE
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    and I have some questions and am seeking some advice..
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    maybe using a gparted cd to make the 320 ntfs, /boot ext2, /root & /home ext4 /swap as swap and 200gigs as fat32
    then installing windows on the 320, then using the arch ftp install to install arch on sdb (second sata drive) using the partitions I've explained about.
    now for Grub.. where I get lost is.. i read on one of the many forum posts i read, if you install 7 first, then arch, everythign will work fine and when you reboot you'll have a choice.. now this answer/comment goes against the wiki that says you have to set up grub to do the dual boot.. or am i wrong, will it just "work" (it does with other distros, but I know arch doesnt hold hands like the others, and I really dont want to leave arch jsut to dualboot for the few windows needs i have , photoshop, a good printer, office 2010, and afew other windows programs i still enjoy using for work and play)
    does anyone have any "easier" to follow directions then the wiki to dualboot win 7 and arch? I'm reading and re-reading and re-reading the wiki again, and it seems like greek to me..
    anyone have any other suggestions.. i have win7 in a virtualbox machine, but the usb hub isnt working.. (started happening since 4.x.x.x came out) thought 4.0.0.2 would "fix" this issue, so i made a new vm of win7 and same usb hub isssues in device manager.. so it MUST be a virtual box issue.. and from what I've read, its not being "fixed" anytime soon.. and I cant use my printer on arch no matter what I've done..
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    Heres how I do it:
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    2. Install Windows 7 (first) to the primary partition and Arch Linux inside the extended partition.
    3. Install grub to the drive and just uncomment the lines for Windows. Remember to leave "makeactive" commented out.
    4. Thats it.
    https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Gr … th_Windows
    Last edited by anonymous_user (2011-01-19 18:00:53)

  • Craptastic, cannot install Grub, [Updated]

    I can't remember the voodoo I had to cast last time on this machine, but there is something weird about it.  The other machine I did recently is very straightforward.  It just works.  This one I can't install grub on, and I'm thinking possibly it's partition erroring or it expects some type of special thing to be done in a special order.  I just can't remember, and I've tried searching, and as always, liberally reading the documention.
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    It actually took me probably weeks to figure this out last time (a year after my first attempt with arch, I got lucky and it worked).  If nothing else, I would be grateful if somebody could advise me in great detail of an alternative method to install arch, since it appears my stupidity and my system has trouble with the install disk.
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    [/b]

  • Dual Booting Windows and Solaris

    Hi
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    how do i make sure that Windows and Solaris appear in my boot options..?
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    /dev/dsk/c0d0s5 845M 222M 565M 29% /opt
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    /dev/dsk/c0d0s7 1.1G 92M 954M 9% /export/home
    /dev/dsk/c0d0s4 752M 225M 474M 33% /usr/local
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    Solaris or Windows with Solaris as the default.
    (I prefer grub or lilo!)
    To mount FAT under Solaris:
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    $ cp /boot/grub/stage[12] /boot/grub/grub.conf \
    > /mnt/fd0/boot/grub
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    /Oscar

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