Dual Layer Break Point problem

Hi,
I just found out after I updated DSP 4 to version 4.0.3 my Layer 1 on every project since updating gets corrupted!
I thought it was the Dual Layer discs I used that caused the problem, but after I re-installed DVD Studio to the original version 4.0.0 the same project worked perfect.
Anyone else have issues with Dual Layer Break Point after updating to 4.0.3?
I have tried different chapters as layerbreak points on my project, and even a test project, with the same result. The finished discs is barely playable on some DVD players, showing wierd interference and noise, and DVD Player on mac crashes when reaching the dual layer break point, and the plant i send the master have a software to check DVDs and they said that it couldnt find/was corrupt Layer 1 on one of my discs. Hope someone can fix this, DSP is the best software otherwise!
Best regards,
Mats.

DVD+R or DVD-R?
http://documentation.apple.com/en/dvdstudiopro/usermanual/index.html#chapter=1%2 6section=9%26tasks=true
DVD+R Double-Layer
You can use DVD+R double-layer media, often referred to as DVD+R DL, for burning your dual-layer projects. With DVD+R double-layer media, DVD Studio Pro places the layer break point and sets the switch point to be nonseamless as specified in your project.
DVD+R double-layer discs require you to use the Opposite Track Path (OTP) direction setting when burning the disc. This means that the first layer must be larger than the second layer. See Setting the Dual-Layer Direction for more information.
While DVD+R double-layer discs allow you to burn your dual-layer projects, they tend to have more compatibility issues than the other types of DVD media.
DVD-R Dual-Layer
If your system contains a DVD drive that can write to the new DVD-R dual-layer media, you can burn your DVD project to it with DVD Studio Pro. However, there are several issues:
Because currently DVD Studio Pro has no way to identify DVD-R dual-layer media as having two layers, burning a dual-layer project to it results in the appearance of an alert message telling you that the DVD media may have insufficient room to hold the project. This message is based on the assumption that the disc is single layer. Both layers of the disc will be written to as needed, however, when you click Continue.
If you are burning a dual-layer project, the break point you set will not affect where the layer break actually occurs. Instead, the first layer is written to until filled, at which point the drive switches to writing to the second layer.
The switch between layers is a seamless layer change not supported by some DVD players, which may stop playing the disc when the switch point is reached.
Important: Do not use DVD-R dual-layer media unless these issues do not impact your project.

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http://documentation.apple.com/en/dvdstudiopro/usermanual/index.html#chapter=1%2 6section=9%26tasks=true
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So, I found the perfect dual layer break point in my project. I have a 3 hour 58 minute video to put on DVD and set the layer break point at 2 hours 2 minutes. However, when I went to format the disc, it told me that layer 0 was too large.
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Hi Graiai,
The basic rule is to ensure that layer 0 is larger than layer 1. And obviously to set it at a point where it's not very noticable (especially for those naughty players which take a moment to refocus and have non exitent buffers).
But there are also strict guidlines as to the positioning of the point and also how much larger the second layer is. Jim Taylor's DVD Demystified is a good place to start if you are thinking of doing some serious authoring.
TO overcome your particular problem you need to find another appropriate point closer to the head of the track. I use DVDAfterEdit which takes all the guess work out for this. But for you at this stage it will be a bit of trial and error until you can get a build done.
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Dual Layer Break Points

Ideally, I would like to create my own break point. Using the OTP method, I know that I need to have the 1st layer larger than the second. Can I simply choose a break just over the 1/2 way in my Movie? ie. 1hr32 long for the first layer, 1hr28 long for the second...or does it have to be close to the 3.9Gig mark before changing layers? My break point of choice happens to be the only place that I have a fade to black, that's why it makes it ideal.
I also have several Chapter Markers in the Movie (that don't fade to black)..so if I choose the Auto Break Point option, I don't know how find where the program has chosen to break it at. I want to view before I burn..or atleast know where it is. Is this info in the Build folder somewhere?
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Heather
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when you click on any chapter marker, the property inspector allows you to assign it as a dual layer break point. layer 0 must be larger than layer 1. Also you can place a marker and in the property inspect uncheck chapter marker and check dual layer break point.

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If I allow DVDSP to automatically set the Dual Layer break Point, is it possible for me ti find where it placed it?
It would probably be pretty obvious in the average project but I am working with a project with about 40 video assets and is very interactive so it jumps around all over the place.

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Hi All,
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Even still, I would like to know why this happened. This has never happened before over a 3 year period.
I am using Memorex DVD+R DL discs (worked fine in the past).
Any remedies?

Some background -
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2.) Build the project (but not format)
3.) Format a Disc (in the dialog that comes up, click on advanced tab, then where it says break point, use the pulldown which will have all valid breakpoint markers dark/black, while non-valid Layer Break Markers will be faded) If no marker is black there is no marker in the right place, regardless of you use automatic or not. You will need to insert more markers, and guesstimate again.
4.) If the layer break(s) are not where you would like them (in other words a place where they may be more noticable) use VTS view to re-order then go back to step 1.
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Hi, I recently made a dual layered dvd in DVD SP 4.03. I set it to automatic, and OTP and unchecked the "seamless". All was well, I burned a couple DVDs no problem. Then, I got in the mail FinalCut Studio upgrade which upgrades DVDSP to 4.1. So I upgraded and then ran software update to get to 4.1.1.
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Warning: The file ‘BSGDISKTWO.layout’ found in the VIDEO_TS or HVDVD_TS folder will not be included in the final disc.
Warning: The file ‘VOB_DATA.LAY’ found in the VIDEO_TS or HVDVD_TS folder will not be included in the final disc.
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I have 4 videos to go one the DVD, comes to 8.5 GB in total.
1. 45mins
2. 1hr 15mins
3. 40 mins
4. 35 mins
How do I know which video to put the break point on and at what time.
I've been using trial and error for the last couple of days now and error keeps winning.
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+Formatting was not successful. Layer 1 exceeds the maximum layer size allowed. Please choose a suitable marker location that will support this condition.+
Thanks in advance
John E
Message was edited by: John England

It could be that you have exceeded the disc size, but assuming you haven't there has to be a break point where it crosses over from Layer 0 to Layer 1, if you have no Chapter Markers at all (or a limited number of Markers, none of which fall near the point which is a bit more than half the size of the assets you will get an error that a Layer is the wrong size.
What you do is
1.) Set up markers in the areas where your would guesstimate the Layer Break(s) should be. (You can build the project and use VTS view to see where about halfway plus a bit is located and make sure to put a few markers in the track in that VTS. Take a look [here|http://dvdstepbystep.com/vts.php] for looking at VTS and builds to see a bit more on that.)
2.) Build the project (but not format)
3.) Format a Disc (in the dialog that comes up, click on advanced tab, then where it says break point, use the pulldown which will have all valid breakpoint markers dark/black, while non-valid Layer Break Markers will be faded) If no marker is black there is no marker in the right place, regardless of you use automatic or not.
4.) If the layer break(s) are not where you would like them (in other words a place where they may be more noticable) use VTS view to re-order then go back to step 1.
If you have not made audio AC3, you should encode to AC3.

Layer break point without track

hi there,
i have a layer break problem on DSP4..
i have i project contain 804 menu, 0 track and a total size is 8.1GB
for the break point reason, i generate a dummy track , 10 second
black video and create a dual layer break point.
in the vts editor, i put this track on a middle of my structure,
build fine but format say "a suitable marker could not be found"
here's my vts structure... can anybody help about this... thanks
VTS 1 100 MENU 684 MB
VTS 2 60 MENU 738 MB
VTS 3 56 MENU 680 MB
VTS 4 56 MENU 595 MB
VTS 5 56 MENU 557 MB
VTS 6 48 MENU 550 MB
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VTS 10 52 MENU 554 MB
VTS 11 48 MENU 597 MB
VTS 12 48 MENU 462 MB
VTS 13 44 MENU 514 MB
VTS 14 44 MENU 508 MB
VTS 15 96 MENU 714 MB
first 7 vts 4.346 MB (4.3 GB)
last 7 vts 3.909 MB (3.8 GB)

Good God...804 menus must take years to open a project!
You're probably need to move some menus from 7 to 9...you're only 12 mb away from filling the disc. There are other files that need to be compiled too.
Message was edited by: Eric Pautsch1

Dual layer break sector

Is there any way to determine just where in the video track the sector that is designated by DVDSP as the layer break point (in the build info) exists??
EG
After the build I see "Layer break point at sector 3094512".
I would like to play the DVD and see just how well the transition works before making a bizzillion copies without having to stare at the whole video. If I can get within a few minutes that would be great.
Can I assume that the DVD starts playing at sector 0? If there is a formula then I guess I can find it.
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32.98 sectors per minute or something like that.?
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Look [here|http://dvdstepbystep.com/markers.mov] at the end you will see a box where there is a drop down (not active in that movie) that says Dual Layer Break Point. Proper break points if you pull down the selector (if it was active and it will be in your project) will be black, ones that cannot be used will be gray. DVD SP selects the first black one in automatic. You can change to any other one that is black. If the project is built, just go to format and you will see the dialog..

Problem chosing layer break point for multi-movie DL DVD

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You can use VTS view to see the order they are laid out in
http://dvdstepbystep.com/vts.php
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Some background -
There has to be a break point where it crosses over from Layer 0 to Layer 1, if you have no Chapter Markers at all (or a limited number of Markers, none of which fall near the point which is a bit more than half the size of the assets you will get an error that a Layer is the wrong size.
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1.) Set up markers in the areas where your would guesstimate the Layer Break(s) should be
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When you do enough DLs, you start getting a sense based on the size of tracks where things should land

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I get a "video bit rate too high" error when muxing. I had lowered the max bit rate in compressor to 5.8m The audio is encoded to AC3 using compressor.
I had previously done some test discs for my client and everything was fine. So I went back to the check disc and began adding assets one at a time to try and figure out where the problem is.
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Cheers
B

How to manually create layer breaking point for DVD9

Hello, I was wondering if someone could please tell me how I would go about to manually set the layer break point for a DVD9 project that I burned onto 2 DLT tapes. The total size of the DVD is 6.3GB.
I had used the "automatic" setting for burning the DLTs and sent them to a replicator. They came back saying that the layer 0 tape did not allow enough headroom for their Ripguard protection.
I've always used the automatic setting and this is the first time I am asked to manually set it. SO now I need to figure out how I can put a certain amount of data on one DLT tape and the rest on the other DLT.
I am a beginner at this so any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Unfortunately the information you have regarding RipGuard and the ability to copy RipGuard protected discs is a little outdated.
Can RipGuard be broken? Yes, anything can be broken into, including the DoD Website by 14 yr old chinese students... but that doesn't mean there isn't value in protecting the DVD.
Also, RipGuard is regularly updated, just like Antivirus software, so while older versions of RipGuard can be broken more easily, the latest versions of RipGuard are significantly more difficult to circumvent by existing software.
But again, the point isn't to create the unbreakable 'holy grail' DVD copy protection, but rather to protect something of value.
When you leave your house in the morning, do you close your front door and lock it? Of course you do, but why? So no one will break in. But do you think locking up your house is really going to stop someone from going around to the side of the house and busting out a window if they really want to get in? Of course it wont. If someone wants to break into your house, they will find a way.
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So the question isn't why would you protect your DVD, but rather why wouldn't you? In most cases if you prevent just a few illegal copies of your DVD from being ripped, it has already more than paid for itself.

Problems With Dual Layers Break Points

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Welcome to the boards
Since you are using a Dual Layer Disc, there has to be a break point where it crosses over from Layer 0 to Layer 1, if you have no Chapter Markers at all (or a limited number of Markers, none of which fall near the point which is a bit more than half the size of the assets you will get an error that a Layer is the wrong size.
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http://dvdstepbystep.com/faqs_7.php

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