Dual Layer Break Point Q

If I allow DVDSP to automatically set the Dual Layer break Point, is it possible for me ti find where it placed it?
It would probably be pretty obvious in the average project but I am working with a project with about 40 video assets and is very interactive so it jumps around all over the place.

After you build the project and then go to format for DVD-R etc you will see the setting for DL break point (it is set to automatic), but you can then click to see acceptable DL break points (markers).
DVD SP defaults to last acceptable marker that fits on the first layer

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    Message was edited by: John England

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