Dual Layer DVD Break Point

Hello,
I have been making Dual layer DVDs using the Auto transcoding offered by Encore 1.5, and have been able to select a break point manually for the disc.
I am now looking at using a lower bit rate (The PAL DV High Quality 7Mb VBR 2 Pass) transcoding setting yet it has not given me the option to select a break point!
Just wondered if this has happened to anybody else? Or if anybody knows how to set the break point using this bit rate?
Regards,
Dan
BTW. I hope I have the correct place for this post. If not can somebody please direct me to the correct place, Thanks

Silly question but brilliant answer lol that is the case lol the data is coming out at 4.3Gb on one disc and 4.19Gb on another so I can run with single layer discs :-)
Thanks again, I suppose I should check these things when people ask me for solutions lol although I expect them to check something like that lol
Thanks again
Dan

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Hey, you used the word "experiment" twice in the same forum which gets you twenty points but you lose 10 points since it was for the same experiment.
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