Dual Layer work flow. (nearing deadline of doom!!!)

Hello.
I am at the end of my teather. I have tried to find answers to my questions and trauled the internet for help but i cannot find anything anywhere.
I have 21 assets. A main movie and 20 extras. Everything is compressed as i want and all audio is compressed using a pack.
I am making a dvd-9 disc.
My questions are this:
1. Do i use 1 track?
2. Can i use a new track for each extra? (eg 21 tracks)
3. Where do i set the break point?
4. Can i just let DVDSP do it automatically?
(The main movie is 47 mins.)
Thanks in advance, as with most people on this forum i am self taught, and really appreciate the time people take to help people like me out!
Cheers.
Timothy.

There are no hard and fast rules about using one track or multiple tracks. The general way is to combine logically linked sections into a single track, but ultimately it is entirely your choice as to what best fits your project.
Personally, I'd use one track where possible, and as Eric said, use stories to divide it up for each clip. Stories behave much like tracks but are better thought of as play lists for your chapters.
You can let DVDSP set the break automatically if you wish - one thing I'd consider is will the entire set of clips ever get played through one after the other (a 'play all' situation)? If the answer is 'no' then you can set this up as a PTP project (instead of OTP) and in which case the break point will be better off being auto set (it will most likely end up in amongst the menus when the disc is built and formatted).
If you are going to use a play all then you might want to set the break manually - choose a marker between the clips in the track and make it a break point marker as well as a chapter marker. The one you choose must be placed so as the first layer on your DVD is larger than the second layer of the disc, and your disc needs to be set to OTP.
You can roughly estimate the layer size by looking in your disc outline view - the disc is built in order from the top - menus and scripts first, tracks second. Do some rough calculations to find a location about 4.5GB down the list... if it is not right, DVDSP will tell you when you go to build the project.

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6. When installing Tiger or Leopard, if your machine shipped with Panther (10.3) or earlier, be sure to get the retail Tiger or retail Leopard.
The Tiger installer is a san serif gray and white X with a spotlight on the center of the X on a black background.
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